People And Pistol Scripts
REVSplatter
Join Date: 2003-03-19 Member: 14703Members
Join Date: 2003-03-19 Member: 14703Members
I'm starting to get annoyed with everyone always yelling out things like 'pistol scripter' and 'nice pistol script' to me all the time. Without exageration, I get called a pistol scripter about once every 2 games I'm a marine or so, regardless of the server I'm on.
I want to make this perfectly clear: I do not and have never used a 'pistol script'. Not only that, but I don't bind my attack button to the mouse wheel, or use two fingers to tap the mouse button or anyting. I simply press the left mouse button with my right index finger quickly, and yet all the time people are calling me a 'n00b' and trying to get me kicked from servers.
I'm getting sick of the intollerance of the players on some of these servers. NS is an excellent and very fun game, but I'm not willing to stop using the pistol just so I don't get kicked/banned from servers. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what to do.
Thanks,
Splatter
I want to make this perfectly clear: I do not and have never used a 'pistol script'. Not only that, but I don't bind my attack button to the mouse wheel, or use two fingers to tap the mouse button or anyting. I simply press the left mouse button with my right index finger quickly, and yet all the time people are calling me a 'n00b' and trying to get me kicked from servers.
I'm getting sick of the intollerance of the players on some of these servers. NS is an excellent and very fun game, but I'm not willing to stop using the pistol just so I don't get kicked/banned from servers. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what to do.
Thanks,
Splatter
Comments
My Red Faction history (i bought it at the same time as HL) gives me good pistol skills, as the RF pistol was just the same as NS but less accurate. I am pretty good with pistol, but never get called a scripter or similar, and i believe it is because of my clan tag. Just a thought.
oh yeah, and you shouldn't try tapping your mouse with 2 buttons. Not only you'd lose some control on the mouse, it kinda destroys it. A solution could be binding two keys (mouse buttons?) to +attack. But of course people would whine about that, just like people whine about my mouse multi-purpose alien 3->1 attack binds.
See, mouse wheel down -> slot3
and mouse wheel up -> slot1
People would call that cheating but it absolutely isnt. It's proper key useage.
It allows easy leap-bites, blink-claws, (I suppose web-spit lol) umbra-bites and charge-stompeh
These can be useful <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
People seem to think it makes you fire faster, don't they? But that's kinda impossible with simply scripting, isn't it? I mean, what command could you enter into the console which would make you fire your pistol faster? There are none!
And why, if you could, are there no LMG scripts or grenade scripts or things? I've never seen any of these... why does this script only work with pistol? And why only NS? I've never seen a Counter-Strike 'pistol script'
It's just because you can fire off bullets out of the pistol pretty darn quickly if you click fast enough... some people just don't seem to realise that, why not?
Of course, it's really easy to do that WITHOUT a script. Some people are just lazy o_o
alias pistol "weapon_pistol; +attack"
considered a cheat? lol... That's crazy...
People seem to think it makes you fire faster, don't they? But that's kinda impossible with simply scripting, isn't it? I mean, what command could you enter into the console which would make you fire your pistol faster? There are none!
And why, if you could, are there no LMG scripts or grenade scripts or things? I've never seen any of these... why does this script only work with pistol? And why only NS? I've never seen a Counter-Strike 'pistol script'
It's just because you can fire off bullets out of the pistol pretty darn quickly if you click fast enough... some people just don't seem to realise that, why not? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The pistol in NS is unique because it has no limit to how fast you can fire it, a script allows the user to offload the pistol faster than humanly possible. I once commed a game where one of my marines used a script and I got talking to him about it. The script he was using let him offload all 10 rounds in the pistol in 10ms. For all intents and purposes, that is an instant 200 points of damage to any alien.
It DOES have a limit, but its ignorably small. If it didn't have a limit, you could INSTANTLY unload 200 dmg into a pinpoint area. Sniper rifle anyone?
Its SUPPPOSED to have the limit of 7 bullets per sec, or so I've heard, but from the same place I heard there was a bug in the code.
Strangely, I never get accused of pistol scripts, when I use my enter key to fire instead of mouse(as in, I hit my enter button really fast, not that I have a script bound to it <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->), even though that allows me to fire it fast as hell(I wonder why I cant do that with my mouse...). I cant move if I do that however... at least it has a drawback!
-Maybe I just play on servers with nice people on.
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded.
<img src='http://www.public.asu.edu/~sickman/images/arguing.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
especially when the nest patch fixes and changes alot.
From what I can see, there are 2 frames in a pistol while firing it fast; the first frame of the idle animation and the first frame of the firing animation. Therefore 2 frames.
Assuming everything is right, 2 frames / 24 frames/second = max rate of 12 shots per second of the pistol.
Of course, even if all the variables I'm blatantly assuming are identical to Quake 2's weapon code, you won't be able to practically fire at the max rate unless you're in single player. On servers, commands that are sent in rapid succession (aka the + and -attack) are lost most of the time. Eitherway, there is a limit on how fast one can shoot the pistol and now you know the principal behind one way they code a weapon's rate of fire. It's pretty much safe to assume HL RoF behaves also on # of animation frames played.
i made one up to just +attack; -attack in rapid succession, this of course accomplishes nothing. i tried putting 2 waits between each string and this accomplished only shooting 5 bullets. 3 waits did it, but still. its a basically useless script and pretty unwieldy. you empty your pistol in about a second (that 10ms is pure bull, impossible) it really is only useful if you catch a stationary alien and wanna do damage FAST, unfortunately that happens just about NEVER. manually clicking +attack has the potential fire at near the rate, id estimate at my fastest i can empty the pistol in under 2 seconds... plus aim while doing so... or stop shooting if the alien moves out of view. the pistol script is just plain useless as it empties your clip once you push it whether or not the alien has left the scene. i used it for test purposes, and wouldnt use it again. i dont imagine anyone really uses it, perhaps the mwheeldown some people use... but pistol scripts are just plain useless.
You forgot to say "if you suck."
CS time to do so : 1 year
NS time to do so : 89 ms <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Why don't you know that?
From what I can see, there are 2 frames in a pistol while firing it fast; the first frame of the idle animation and the first frame of the firing animation. Therefore 2 frames.
Assuming everything is right, 2 frames / 24 frames/second = max rate of 12 shots per second of the pistol.
Of course, even if all the variables I'm blatantly assuming are identical to Quake 2's weapon code, you won't be able to practically fire at the max rate unless you're in single player. On servers, commands that are sent in rapid succession (aka the + and -attack) are lost most of the time. Eitherway, there is a limit on how fast one can shoot the pistol and now you know the principal behind one way they code a weapon's rate of fire. It's pretty much safe to assume HL RoF behaves also on # of animation frames played. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Now take that limit, and bind it to the screen framerate of a client. Say, one that runs at 100fps. One shot every two frames, assuming your calculation... 50 rounds per second. So, let off the full clip in one-fifth of a second, with the pistol scripts that are out there.
It's been established that one exists. It's been established that it works. It's been established that it will no longer work in v1.1, so we can only hope that v1.1 will get here soon.
Oh, and on a related note... the same glitch (binding to fps rates) will raise the LMG's ROF as well. It's simply less noticable, possibly due to a longer animation cycle cutting down on its effectiveness.
i like it
back on topic: yess......... so evilllll i can taste it.......
cough cough.....
back on topic (again) : bah i hate those pistol scripters........ but soon.... SOOON your pistol shall be nerfed for good.... ^^
It's pretty much unavoidable when you play with ""elite" d00ds".
<i>edit:</i> It changed one-three-three-seven to "elite". I like that. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
edit: lol it does!
Yup. It is strange. I have played since 1.0 came out and i only play on finnish servers, so most of the players know my nick (iam not in a clan). About month ago my NS started to crash (dunno why) and i uninstalled it and HL too. After i reinstalled HL and NS, my nick changed to NSPlayer. I didn't noticed it at first and i was wondering why everyone is flaming me, even those guys who know me. If i evlolved to gorge, everyone shouted at me that "GO BACK TO SKULK YOU NOOB" or if i tryed to go in com chair....**COMMANDER HAS BEEN EJECTED** <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I changed my nick back to "normal" and everyone was like, SORRY SORRY that we flamed you, etc... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Eh.. SOOOO off-topic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
becuz i killed a lot of ppl with my lmg, they also said i had wallhack, but has anyone ever heard of motiontracking or what?