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cracker_jackmac

<div class="IPBDescription">restructuring</div> Natural Selection Admin Federation is reorganizing. We realized that the rules were too anal for most servers and that sysops like more control over thier server than what we were implimenting. It was a good idea, but very impractical. So we've decided to help the NS community by restructuring into a Banlist control group.

The structure has yet to be determined but basicly we would control who is to be banned (exploiters, cheaters, ragers, hackers, and serious llamas). This organization would take requests, proof against anyone who got banned. Using our MM plugin (thank you [WHO]Them), It would request the banlist every map change and update and ban everyone in the list. The organization would also take, review, and control any possible unbans (although unlikely, but it does happy...typo'd wonid, etc).

<a href='http://www.nsadmins.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=97' target='_blank'>Vote for our new leader</a>, we need help deciding on a new leader though. Most of these people you already know as well.

Thank for you time.

Narfwak

Also don't be shy to join in and help with the reorganization; the more people that help out and submit ideas the better. What we really want to do is put and end to the "OMG H4X BAN HIM!!11one" threads that seem to crop up in this forum all the time by making one centralized system for all the servers to submit and recieve banlists to each other. In addition to that, we'll probably get some other nifty plugins that would be exclusive to NSAF member servers (or not, we might want to be more open than that - go tell us what you want!).

If you haven't figured it out already, we're kinda shooting for a U.N.-esque organization for NS servers to join in.

cracker_jackmac

if anything. Tell us what you DON'T like about nsaf being the center for ban control. Tell us what you want out of it. Community feedback is invaulable to us because thats what nsaf is for: to serve the community. And we can't do that w/o feedback.

Lightning_Blue

Well, for example, on Nano, I have 170 bans, the most coming from ruma's blacklist, the rest from various lamers/exploiters/griefers etc...

I also have 25 admins, which requires that we keep track of <i>every</i> ban in a ban thread, so if a say, community member gets banned, we can easially track it down, and delete all unreported bans...

How would that sort of system work with NSAF?

Narfwak

We aren't sure yet, but we are thinking of using a council system similar to that of the U.N. Head server admins represent their servers on the council (which may or may not be limited in size) and address bans. Weekly IRC meeting would be used; there, a ban could be presented and disputed. Vote taken, ban added. Once that ban is added, it would be automaticly sent to all NSAF servers via the banlist plugin.

Nifty, eh?

wendigo

It sounds great, but I'm not sure I want to wait until a meeting to ban a rager or someone using exploits. It leave my server open to that person too long.

verbose

MHO:

A member of NSAF submits bans, and the bans go into effect immediately. With each ban, at least the following will be tracked:

banned wonid
handle of banned party
ban submission date
admin that submitted the ban
server where infraction was committed
ban category (cheating, griefing, general llamaism, etc)
text describing reason for ban (to supplement category)

I envision a database, with each entry also having the following columns:
active - if a ban is revoked, this column is "unset". That way, repeat offenders can be tracked. Always leave a trail.
ban revocation date
ban revocation reason

If an admin gets too ban-happy, the NSAF board can decide to revoke that person's ban rights. By having each ban tacked with the submitting admin, you make each admin accountable for their actions. Necessary in a system that relies on trusting the admins to act appropriately.

In a situation like Lightning Blue's, which is very common (one server with many admins), I see two obvious strategies:
1 - LB submits his local bans (or a subset thereof) to NSAF on behalf of his admins.
2 - LB's admins obtain their own NSAF logins, and post their own bans.

But, I think I'll halt my ideas here. I'll try and get my butt over to the NSAF boards and flesh all my thoughts out.

Narfwak

Of course we'll keep track of the bans. We have to compile a list of potential ban-ees before each ban council meeting, so the recording starts there. After that, if they get banned, the've been recorded.

Feel free to give your ideas at the NSAF forums, too.

www.nsadmins.com/forums

masterswordman

Are good have you guys worked out the ban control, I remember my banlist (rofl) it just got shot down, hope you know what you're doing