Ns Research Study Part 1
CplDavis
I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
<div class="IPBDescription">by popular demand</div> Several server and forum admins wanted me to post the full study I did on player age in NS. I attached a file when I wrote this post hopefully it will work. If not Ill just have to make a really long post that people can copy and past into MS Word. If anyone wants to use my data in a post or a site fine with me just give me credit and say Cpl.Davis from NS did it. (Dont think anyone will but it would be cool ;P )
In the future I plan on doing more studies on the Rambo Epidemic and one on looking at just how much Alien Player independence really matters.
In the future I plan on doing more studies on the Rambo Epidemic and one on looking at just how much Alien Player independence really matters.
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Player 14 Dies. With a new death symbol in the upper right hand corner.
16: Ant? Did he say ant? LOL
18: Ant alien? hahahah
20: I think he was trying to say something else.
Player 14 respawns:
14: No you tards. ELEPHANT!!!
12: WHAT?!?
An entire horde of Onoses charge through the doors and stampede through the base.
Needless to say there was general panic.
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FUGGEN GREAT MAN FUGGEN GREAT!!!!
(note the ages were substitutided for names)
You might want to use Word yourself to correct the spelling errors. When I opened the study it practicaly bled on me, hehehe.
Nice effort though.
As it relates to NS. If you don't have resources you can't get the goodies and you have to adapt to using a playing style that makes good use of lower level tools and weapons.
And as to how I got the players age? I asked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The transcript of the onos attack...priceless. Very cool though.
Full Upgrades: 6 Res
Listening to newbies scream ELEPHANT OMG!!!: Priceless.
Nice to see gaming communities actually have people able to form many coherent sentences in a row ;D
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(10-17 years is the most common age of online multiplayer gamers.)
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Being 20, coming from a clan of players where i am basically the youngest, with players ranging up into the late 30s, and having previous experience with a community where most players were actually older than me (Q3F), i'd like to dissagree :/
Go look at the ages in the forum, most of us are under 20 (I am 19), I am rather sure of this atleast.
And I know I have played with many people who have not had their voice change yet ;D
If this is for general consumption, a bit more explanation of what skulks and fades and lerks are might be better, or replacing those terms with "first level alien", "second level alien" etc. might be a good idea.
By the way, be careful about how you classify Clans. Yes, pro clans are very good. However, clans spring up so rapidly that a clan tag means very little. I have no experience in a decent clan, but I've been in at least thee clans started by some poor teenager who has no experience managing an organisation like a clan, and little leadership ability.
On that note, remember that good individual skill does not mean an effective team. I've played in a clan as I've described above in which a handful of the members were actally very, very good. The organisation was crap, however, so the team as a whole was crap.
(10-17 years is the most common age of online multiplayer gamers.)
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Being 20, coming from a clan of players where i am basically the youngest, with players ranging up into the late 30s, and having previous experience with a community where most players were actually older than me (Q3F), i'd like to dissagree :/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read the rest of it, he says later:
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I tend to agree though. Clans do tend to have much older players since young (under 18) players often don't have the needed discipline. (no offense to anyone here under 18 is intended)
Regards,
Savant
I would kill for a demo of all those ex-military NS "newbies" playing.
ROAR (Primal Scream. Note Players have yet to see an Onos yet)
12: What was that?
13: Shut the (expletive) up.
23: No what was that?
20:Ok guys GUYS (screaming over everyone else) Do the aliens have any other evolution levels?
16: I don’t think so just those black acid rocketers.
At this time one of the Rambos decided he had to act.
14: I’ll go look.
One minuet later over voice chat. It was distorted because he was screaming and talking fast.
14: Oh my … AHHhh, …elp help it’s a (expletive) ….. ant.
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ROFLMAO
I second Flayras comment. Group 4 would of been very cool to watch and play with.
Hilarious stuff here. btw; I am 15, I do not know if I have a deap or squicky voice. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and yes i too would love to see team4 in action <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seeing as there's no proof that age is proportional to team communication, I find it far from beneficial to propagate the stereotype that young teenagers are, as I quote, "n00bs". It's been a long time since I was 14, but back then you bet I would wait for 2 other rocket soldiers in QuakeWorld TeamFortress before trying to take their flag. I would also frequently guard the bottlenecks of the level and let the basement defenders know how many, what class, and how damaged the people who got past me. The fact of the matter is, so did most other 14 year olds.
On the other hand, I've seen many 26 year olds who have little incentive to care about sticking together, or respect other players. And I've seen 26 year old players who are selfless. The only possible conclusion that anyone can reach is that there will be team players and rambos, regardless of age. I found it unfair for the conclusion of your Word file to have come up with something that was nothing more than a proliferated stereotype, void of hard evidence. How do we even know that the 26 year olds were actually 26? It is because of the hostility towards younger players that we see 16 y/o's try to mask their age by claiming they're in their 20's as so not to be subject to prejudice.
Go look at the ages in the forum, most of us are under 20 (I am 19), I am rather sure of this atleast.
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Exactly right (although they just blame it on their mics not working right). I personally am 18, and have noticed this trend myself (though I haven't the work ethic to undertake such a project myself).
I have been in a few CS clans, and most of them are just a bunch of people who know each other's AIM and can set up scrimages occasionally. NS clans would have to be infinitely more organized due to the RTS aspect. That's where the increased patience and clear thinking on the part of older players comes in. To get into a good clan (with tryouts and such) you would have to be able to demonstrate that you are a team player and such, therefore the older players get in more often.
In response to anavrin, there are 3 things.
1) He made this conclusion based on hard evidence. He conducted this whole experiment so that he would not be "void of hard evidence".
2) His "stereotype" has held true in my own experience. In my extensive FPS and RTS play I have found that the older players tend to be more capable of calm, rational teamwork.
3) In no way have any of us stated that being young means you are a "n00b". The evidence that this study yields as well as the evidence given just by playing online games enough indicates that it IS the trend. Trend does not equal law. I know of a 15-year-old friend of mine who has a better head for tactics than all of the commanders I have met in pub servers save one. He has spent hours thinking about the maps and what situations he would react to in what ways. I'm convinced that if ramboism was eliminated from the teams that we command together (he giving the strategies and commands through the mic and myself, with more online gaming experience, particularly in NS, actually in front of the keyboard and mouse) we would never lose a game. So older does not ALWAYS equal better, it just trends that way.
In short, your animosity in this area is sorely misplaced.
Again, no offense to Flayra....
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> 1) He made this conclusion based on hard evidence. He conducted this whole experiment so that he would not be "void of hard evidence".
Actually, it explicitly says in the introductory paragraph that he did nothing more than go on a couple of servers and asked people for their ages. Then he just watched them. No statistics of how many people he sampled, no proof that these people were their ages, and no concrete examples/explanations. All I saw was a fictional voice communication transcript that would never actually happen (hence the humour that you find). It's an unwarranted generalization, not even supported by a big enough control group. Hell, I doubt the control group wasn't even a control group, but a random server where the author rounded to the nearest convenient experimental setup.
> 2) His "stereotype" has held true in my own experience. In my extensive FPS and RTS play I have found that the older players tend to be more capable of calm, rational teamwork.
It doesn't take that many years of life to figure out that "2 is greater than 1 and 3 is greater than 2." Thus it doesn't take anything more than a 5 year old to know that if you wanted anyone to run past someone trying to block your way, it's easier done with more people.
> 3) In no way have any of us stated that being young means you are a "n00b". The evidence that this study yields as well as the evidence given just by playing online games enough indicates that it IS the trend.
That's the most absurd way to come up with a trend I've ever seen. The experience from Anavrin living on this world just by living is enough evidence to show the trend of the Earth being flat. And the proof is that balls that fall on the ground don't keep rolling - because the ground is flat. The lesson here is that that what's visible (ie: what stands out) is neither the truth, nor even a valid generalization.
> Trend does not equal law. I know of a 15-year-old friend of mine who has a better head for tactics than all of the commanders I have met in pub servers save one. He has spent hours thinking about the maps and what situations he would react to in what ways. I'm convinced that if ramboism was eliminated from the teams that we command together (he giving the strategies and commands through the mic and myself, with more online gaming experience, particularly in NS, actually in front of the keyboard and mouse) we would never lose a game. So older does not ALWAYS equal better, it just trends that way.
Right, but I'm saying that his conclusions don't even warrant a generalization. I see this as a self-propagated generalization that's based on nothing but what one chooses to see. The child stands out amongst the crowd because of human nature's desire to dominate/control those around us, and is usually the one who is singled out because of his audible vocal traits. But when you hear a gruffy voice, people simply dismiss it because it blends in with the kind of people you expect to hear on the servers and thus it becomes all too forgettable when they are the ones who act lame. This whole "trend" is nothing more than a "after dispatching 20% more police officers in the field, we've concluded that crime is going up because arrests have increased 20%" type scenario. You need to address the flaws in studies like the last statement before you can come up with an infallible analysis. When a preadolescent disrupts the team, it's all too memorable. When a preadolescent works with the team, it's all too forgettable.
It really is more of a generalization of age than a study of it.
First of all, you seem to imply that this study isn't valid because anyone could lie about their age. However, in the study, it shows that the younger players were the ones with weaker teamwork skills. Tell me, when was the last time you met someone who claimed to be 14 when they were really 18? If someone admits they are only 12 and they have a high-pitched voice then odds are they are 12. Those kids might have increased their age, but the wouldn't decrease it. Therefore the conclusion that the younger players in the study had weaker teamwork skills is in fact valid.
You also accuse him of fabricating the transcript of the Onos attack, and of outright lying in his introductory paragraph. It seems to me that you simply want to attack the points made in the study by claiming that the study was just a big lie.
I have met younger players who were capable of teamwork, but the vast majority I have played with have been unreasonable, easily frustrated and prone to irrational, unhelpful actions. What I see in this study is simply more of what I see in about 2/3 of the younger players I have met, and there is more truth behind it than you want to admit IMHO.
Observations DO NOT lead to conclusions and using words like 'Control Group' and 'Variable' does not make this a legitimate study.
What are the 5 steps of the Scientific Method Davis? Unless this research has been conducted following the Scientific Method with full documentation of your Experimental Method and Controls this cannot be called a study.
I shudder to think that people believe this study provides evidence of anything...
BTW: This isn't a flame, but your report wouldn't last the first glance of a peer review, you are a science student you should know why...