Are Moving Mouths And Hand Signals On The Agenda?

Bigwig · March 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Just a question</div> I was just wondering if Flayra and co are ever going to add moving mouths/hand signals into NS, since other mods already have these features (DoD and CS). I'm sure they would be welcome additions since NS relies so much on coordination and voice communication.

This isn't a suggestion, I'm just wondering...

BlaqWolf · March 2003

i think a reload animation would be cool... and hand signals would be kick arse! i'm up for that!

watch_me_die · March 2003

Seeing an onos moving it's mouth to talk would be funny <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

MedHead · March 2003

I have yet to need hand signals in Day of Defeat. The only time I ever see them used is when someone starts a pre-made voice communication. Other than that, it's a whole lot easier to say "Follow me" then to use the hand signal. Not only that, but the enemy doesn't see ANYTHING when you use voice communication, while the enemy WOULD see you use your hand signal.

As for the mouth movements, I suppose the marine team should have that feature, but the aliens seem somewhat telepathic.

Zel · March 2003

i would at least want a reload animation in 1.1

sometimes while im waiting the what seems like 10 minutes for my LMG to reload i want my team to know that i am helpless or cannot help them build.

0range · March 2003

it would be nice to have a signal that everyone recognized as "enemy spotted" instead of having to do the loud voice comm or type (and possibly be killed while typing since an enemy was just spotted)

i dont have a mic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

but alas hand signals will be like alien talking.. Nobody hardly uses them <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Ollj · March 2003

Reload animation is soo missing and essential.

Narf · March 2003

well i agree with medhead on the fact that even if hand signals were included, they would never be used (as is the case in DoD so far)
And as for moving mouths, I'm gonna say reload animations and all the missing animations (lerk deaths, ect.) would definately take precident as far as development goes. when are you ever really close enough to someone too wonder why their mouth isn't moving during a game, anyways? Kind of unnessicary if you ask me.

typical_skeleton · March 2003

I never noticed the lack of a reload animation. that's just... wrong. very wrong!
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Cypher_X · March 2003

Mouths moving when people talk is kind of useless. I'm not staring at their mouth and they already ahve a bright symbol above their head. Reload animation I feel is definatly needed. It's anoying having to tell your partner "I'm reloading"... Also it would help the aliens know when to attack. Sometimes you see a marine just sitting there staring at you and you have no clue what the hell he's doing.

MaTT · March 2003

IMO...

hand signals = no
Mouth moving on voice comm = yes
reload animation = YEEEES!

p4Prospero · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (0range @ Mar 3 2003, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> it would be nice to have a signal that everyone recognized as "enemy spotted" instead of having to do the loud voice comm or type (and possibly be killed while typing since an enemy was just spotted)

i dont have a mic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

but alas hand signals will be like alien talking.. Nobody hardly uses them <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Dude, so not true. The servers I hang on everyone uses them! The alien grunts are awesome! I don't give people healing unless they make the proper sound. =)

Hand gestures would be neat, but probably would get used frequently. I like moving mouths, so I vote for them. They may not have a great impact on the game, but it was always neat to see a person's mouth move when they chatted in CS! It just makes the game seem that much more realistic. And yes, a reload animation is a must have!

Prosp

MongooseBob · March 2003

hmm, researching, will repost when it's solved

Cereal_KillR · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Prospero @ Mar 4 2003, 08:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't give people healing unless they make the proper sound. =)
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
rofl I'm already thinking about this guy like yelling in his mike, biting you parasiting you and running all around you at 5 HP saying HEAL ME HEAL ME IM ALMOST DEAD AND THERES AN HMG+HA AROUND THE CORNER
And the good gorge prospero says... naw I dont give healing unless you do the right noise <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> and they both die...

Supernorn · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|MaTT| @ Mar 4 2003, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> IMO...

hand signals = no
Mouth moving on voice comm = yes
reload animation = YEEEES!  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
i agree with you.
but some hand signals would be good if they played with the sounds...Its frustrating when you choose the "follow me" sound, and no-one knows who said it. Would be good, if he waved or something when he said it... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Dee · March 2003

I think the reason the alien radio commands aren't used is because they're difficult for people to understand. "Was that one haaaaarrrrrgh to mean attack or a haaaarghaaarg to mean 'let's go to the movies'?" If the hive mind can say things like "enemy approaching" and, more importantly, "now we donce" why not "I need healing" and "Building here"? Make the radio commands easier to understand for the players and they'll use them more. After all, who doesn't know what "har har har" means? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

p4Prospero · March 2003

Yeah, but then you would lose the alien flavor. I found it pretty to learn all of the sounds after using them a lot one night. It gives the aliens that certain, I don't know what. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Prosp

MongooseBob · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> it would be nice to have a signal that everyone recognized as "enemy spotted" instead of having to do the loud voice comm or type (and possibly be killed while typing since an enemy was just spotted)</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

You are already capable of doign that yourself.

Open config.cfg in your halflife/NS folder

Add a line (or lines) that say

bind "X" "say_team Enemy spotted!"

where X is the key you want to hit for that bind.
(I suggest skimming the .cfg to make sure you are not overwriting any other binds)

problem solved.

Doombringer · March 2003

Reload anims would be great. Player animations corresponding to certain pre-made comms (This way!) aren't as important, but are cool. Anything else (lip-synching to voice comm) isn't worth it.

ohfomehxr · March 2003

One thing that bugs the crap outta me is as far as animations go is the fact that 8 skulks can be hangin around a rp or a cc or something, chompin away - yet, it looks like they are all just hangin around. Gently swaying in the breeze with all this growl chomp krak noise going on around them. That looks messed up.
Also, does it appear to anyone else that from the hud, the skulk's "bitegun" makes it look kind of like his face should be rounded, and not come to a "point" like it does? It bugs me some, but is really minor.
I think mouth movements for marines is completely useless. There are other more important things to be adjusting/tweaking than that! But reload anims would be great and helpful like stated above.
There's my 2cents. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'>

spai_duhz · March 2003

footsteps are damn loud. but it will be frustrating for a person whos sneaking around to silently give orders to his mates other than typing it out.

and i think maybe its just me... but i think that everyone should make a sound when they transmit messages. a lil beep will be fine.

typed messages should not be silent... granted that no marine carried around a keyboard just to type messages to his team.. but even then his kb will be clicking away.

Bigwig · March 2003

What I meant about hand signals is that I want them to accompany the radio commands. It would make it easier to tell WHO has spotted an enemy or is asking for backup, etc. I don't really care much for actually hand signal hotkeys (which as far as I've seen, entirely useless).
And from what I hear about moving mouths, it's actually pretty easy to accomplish. On the DoD boards they have models which have moving mouths, and all it takes is messing around with "bone controllers" or somesuch. I'm not a modeller of course.

DArtagnan · March 2003

Sadly it would take a bit of remodeling. The light marine has no mouth opening premodelled in. Without the texture it looks like he's wearing a skimask. So without new models, and new bones, this ain't happening.

Tho it would really help for people making CG/machinima movies.

MongooseBob · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What I meant about hand signals is that I want them to accompany the radio commands. It would make it easier to tell WHO has spotted an enemy or is asking for backup, etc. I don't really care much for actually hand signal hotkeys (which as far as I've seen, entirely useless).</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

All you have to do is make say_team binds, it tells your team what is going on and they know who it is coming from.

Bigwig · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MongooseBob @ Mar 5 2003, 03:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> All you have to do is make say_team binds, it tells your team what is going on and they know who it is coming from.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Or..... maybe we could just have hand signals? Why must I make a ton of binds just so people can know that it's ME that's asking for backup?

DoD has it.

Are Moving Mouths And Hand Signals On The Agenda?

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