An offer

KungFuSquirrel

<div class="IPBDescription">Own a piece of 'history' :p</div>I am hereby offering the .rmf, .wad, .bsp, and original hand-drawn layout for ns_eclipse to one lucky person... Preferably someone with at least half-decent mapping abilities, at that. I will e-mail the files and snail mail the original 5-6 pages of layout, my expense. E-mail or post here if interested, I'll make a final decision in a day or two.

Whoever gets the source files/papers gets full rights to Eclipse, can change whatever, add whatever, and doesn't even have to credit me (though it'd be nice if you did anyway. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> )

In the meantime, my graph paper, lucky layout pencil (I found it when I was packing&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> and I are going to the park. I've got a hell of a lot of work to do and I'll be damned if I don't get it done in time for consideration for release.

I guess I'm sorry, but yet I'm not. Just trust me on this one. Please.

Fam

I would love to, but I do not feel qualified enough to accept. I wish the person who takes on this task all of the luck in the world.

KungFuSquirrel

Also, if I can find the old ns_veil schematic, that's up for grabs, too, if someone wants it. Even though it's absolutely horrid.

realityisdead

I really don't know what to say. Best of luck with to you with the new project, Andrew. Just don't drive yourself to insanity trying to finish an entire level in... well, you know.

If I accepted your offer, and took eclipse, I'd have enough content to finish my level in a matter of weeks. I don't know what to say. I want to finish my level, what you've got already is wonderful, and it would help me out IMMENSELY... but...

Ugh. Not sure if I'd be able to -after all this work- use someone else's map to finish my own.

I don't know, this is SOO tempting. If I did it, I'd have no problem finishing my level in time for the NS release. But what about you?

I'm going to think hard about this. Probably not going to happen though. Man, I hate making decisions like this... hate it. *sigh* :/

realityisdead

I'm still not sold on the idea, but... what would be the disadvantage of doing this? My pride? Not being able to say that "This is MY level..."?

I'm going to think about this.

KungFuSquirrel

What do you mean, "What about you?" I don't need it, why else do you think I'd offer? None of it will do any good for me now.

At any rate, off to the park I go.

Comprox

Ken, my only other concern is, styles. You and KFS map diferently, and they look different, you would need to do a lot of editing to make it look like your work, and not like someone else just added in from another person <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo-->

realityisdead

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Obviously.

I just don't think that this is realistic. I didn't even think it was realistic the first time you scrapped eclipse. The time involved, I mean.

You obviously know what you're doing though (you're the closest thing to go pro that we've got here), so I'm not going to further argue that point. Just expressing my concern\caring. Whatever though, do as you must.

Anyways, again my only concern with this is my pride. That's one leaky excuse, but hey... I'm human. I want that feeling of completion and "ownership" with my level. I'm fully aware that's something I'm going to have to get over if I ever want a job doing this, but...

Hell, I don't know. Do you think it would even work out with what I've got? I want three distinctly differnt routes in the level... but they also need to fit in with the rest... in a sense.

/me ponders...

BTW, that new OpFor map on your website... wonderful atmosphere. Are we thinking the same thing here?

Anyways, I'm interested... but not raising my hand yet.



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realityisdead

Comprox: Yeah, I know what you mean. Keep in mind that my entire level is not going to look like the pictures you've seen though. It's already drastically different with the ship (which is the techy stuff you saw a shot of before)... yet is still manages to fit in.

It would be a lot of work... making it work... but a lot less than if I had to do it all from scratch. Heh.

Otherwise, I don't even know what I'm doing with my eastern part of the level.

Then again, there are some areas that would have no chance in hell of fitting in with what I'm going for. Teh egg or HLDM looking areas. GLory and Triad might work, but that's only two rooms.

You know what, I'll let someone else have this. I can manage on my own, I just need a concept. In other words, I'm wimping out. Actually, I'd only be able to use a couple rooms anyways, so... yeah. Someone else could probably put it to better use.

Best of luck, Andrew. I'll pass on this though.

KungFuSquirrel

Even if it's just to browse through the .rmf or frame the schematic on the wall, I want it gone.

SmokeMasta

post it on NSworld

Delete_Me

I'd love to get my hands on this (anyone who knows me would know how I always try to get the source of my favorite maps), but I don't think I'm active enough in the NS community to recieve such a thing.

(As always, I'd be more than glad to take that .rmf off your hands, KFS <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->)

Oh, wait, you said half-decent mapper? *kicks dust* darn it! <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->

Jacius

I would appreciate the .rmf, or a picture of the layout, but the actual paper copy just seems kinda... sacred. Maybe its weird, but thats one of those things I'd hang on to, like a trophy or something.

I can certainly understand you wanting it gone, and its too special (even if you dont want it) to burn/throw away...

Have you given any thought to just releasing the .rmf and a photo of the layout to the public? I'd be interested to see what comes of that. I can imagine a lot of "Thanks to KFS" in future map info files <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

Whatever you decide to do, I think its best that you get rid of them. Some times its best to just let it go and start anew.

-Jacius

HanzGruber

I think it would be worth donating to the public archive ..... for reference and ideas.... hell, if flayra is gonna be releasing an nstr3 they might want it in that!

Greedo

<!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->  I really think that you should just keep all of this stuff for yourself, KFS.  I mean, even if you think it's crap, which it's not, and you don't want it, you'll probably regret getting rid of it eventually.  At the very least you could use it as a comparison to see how much better your work is then compared to now.

Oh well, just, you know, don't get halfway through your next map and start thinking that you can do better.  You know it's good.

slackiller

I would love to have the rmf. files for your map.
would I ruin it though that is the question.I would try my best to keep it lookin  as beautiful as you have it so far.
If your dieing to get rid of it,then I would love to have it,I would make sure to hug it and love it and treat it with kindness and feed it each and every day.  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
I'm not sure why you want to ditch it,but you must have this terrific idea.it must be to be gettin rid of this map.
and if you wanted it back I would gladly give it back.And you would definitely get credit.since it is your map and everybody knows it.
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blueman

id like to have your .rmf just to see how you work and to learn more about mapping, to see your style,etc... If you think theres someone who has the skill to finish it and you think he/she (if there is any girl here) can create a great level from your map then go and give it to him/her.

Id love to have the .rmf to learn, just as i learned from DaveJ ETC and ETCII for single player.

btw good luck in your projects  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

Comprox

Amen Greedo, keep it! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'><!--endemo--> There are many websites which I don't finish, and I don't just go handing them out so others can call it their site. If you released portions for educational purporses, that would seem a lot more logical, as I have handed out PSD's showing examples of how to do stuff <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Killtoy

Well KFS, I kinda understand how you must feel, and I definatly understand your desire to see the object of your efforts put to good use and not become kibble.

I don't see how I could make use of your .rmf and whatnot. Not out of prejudice against your work, I <i>really</i> liked your work. Texture use, map resource efficency, lighting, design... in my estimation you deserve high marks in all of these areas.

I have to hold to my own vision, and I'm worried about the spin I'd get out of infusing someone else's work.

I wish we could see Eclipse in completion, but barring that. Do you think you could salvage "prefab" materail that could be made public and plugged into the maps of other NS mappers?

I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here. Best of luck with Nightwatch! I hope this doesn't mean we'll be seeing less of you around here.

KungFuSquirrel

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Oh, no, not at all... I'm not done with mapping for NS . I've got a score to settle against myself... I've lost at least 5 months of work in 2 defunct maps. I'm not going to let my own failures win, no matter how long it takes.

Here, lemme put it this way -- This squirrel is right ###### off. Said squirrel will therefore bust out his mad kung fu skills on as many maps as it takes to get it right.



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Infinity

i would like to do it since im VERY bad at layouts, but good at mapping

if ya like, my email is: <a href="mailto:infinity4all@hotmail.dk">infinity4all@hotmail.dk</a>

if im allowed, i would like to see more of ur old "failures"
since good ideas and improvement can be made on those to make them usefull in a way

ChromeAngel

Seeing this topic I should mention that NS_Veil's screenshots are THE most popular on NS World, by quite a large margin.

Personally I prefer to re-build a level rather then re-start, but what do I know.

Black_Wolf

hmmm, i think you should have it in the public domain . . . it will be a huge contribution to the community and i would love to take at look at your mapping style, but im sure im not worthy of taking your rmf.

good luck on future projects. (and btw: that op4 map on ur website uses NS textures, is that allowed for non-NS maps?)

KungFuSquirrel

Black Wolf, those aren't exclusive NS textures, those are public domain textures from the Shader Lab. A number are included with the NS .wad file, but they weren't created specifically for NS.

DruBo

I'd like to have it, probably just to assimilate into NS_Gasteiz, which I think has a wicked-cool concept but I don't have enough time or patience to make the whole thing myself. I'd probably break eclipse into many many different pieces, and you would hardly even be reminded of it if you played on Gasteiz because the layout is almost completely different. I just want the rooms, and I'll decide where to put them.

And even though you said you don't need it, I'll credit you on part of the map. Maybe "Assorted rooms created & hated by KungFuSquirrel".

KungFuSquirrel

Well, we have a 'winner' of sorts. Work is already underway.

As for me, I'd better get cracking. I don't have a whole lot of time.

Oh, by the way, I'm going to apologize in advance for my evilness. You really are going to hate me. But perhaps love me at the same time. If that's possible.