The Manual
Ego
Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
<div class="IPBDescription">- ns bible -</div> Why doesnt anyone read it?
im mainly focusing on the newbies that join games and have no idea what there doing
i mean, i dont so much have a problem with teaching noobs, but when they get ignorant about everything, i find this annoying.
Would be nice if it auto opened after installing the game or something, anything. .. please.
also i hear alot of people telling noobs to " go read the manual and come back ". its not egzactly an easy read, because ns isnt egzactly an easy game ( at first ).
possibly a simplified manual? like.. like starcraft how it has that Tech tree manual thing. maybe something like that that has SIMPLIFIED things on each class? l
ex:
Lerk -
The lerk is mainly a backup char with several offensive attacks blah blah blah etc.
- Weapons -
Bite - Same Damage as the Skulk bite 75
requirements( 1 hive )
Spike Shooter - Does 10damage(?) per hit and fires rapidly, a deadly weapon used correctly
requirements( 1 hive )
Umbra - A Parasidic Cloud of Gas that reduces your chance ( and teammates ) of getting hit by projetciles.
requirements( 2 hives )
and so on .. heck, ill do it if noobs read it. or maybe there is something already like this, but i think newer players need a hand in understanding that ns is NOT C S and is meant for TEAMPLAY, aliens or Marine.
Ego
[FACT] - I am sexy
ps, i may copy paste this on new player forum, seeing if its worth it first <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
im mainly focusing on the newbies that join games and have no idea what there doing
i mean, i dont so much have a problem with teaching noobs, but when they get ignorant about everything, i find this annoying.
Would be nice if it auto opened after installing the game or something, anything. .. please.
also i hear alot of people telling noobs to " go read the manual and come back ". its not egzactly an easy read, because ns isnt egzactly an easy game ( at first ).
possibly a simplified manual? like.. like starcraft how it has that Tech tree manual thing. maybe something like that that has SIMPLIFIED things on each class? l
ex:
Lerk -
The lerk is mainly a backup char with several offensive attacks blah blah blah etc.
- Weapons -
Bite - Same Damage as the Skulk bite 75
requirements( 1 hive )
Spike Shooter - Does 10damage(?) per hit and fires rapidly, a deadly weapon used correctly
requirements( 1 hive )
Umbra - A Parasidic Cloud of Gas that reduces your chance ( and teammates ) of getting hit by projetciles.
requirements( 2 hives )
and so on .. heck, ill do it if noobs read it. or maybe there is something already like this, but i think newer players need a hand in understanding that ns is NOT C S and is meant for TEAMPLAY, aliens or Marine.
Ego
[FACT] - I am sexy
ps, i may copy paste this on new player forum, seeing if its worth it first <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Comments
Exactly, but almost all n00bs think its gonna be like CS, just pick up a gun and shoot some people. My peronal opinion is starting to lean towards the idea that CS is the worst thing to happen to gaming, EVER. Which is odd 'cause early on it wasn't so bad...
Anyway, I don't wanna turn this into a CS thread so i'll second the idea that a simpler manual should be made (keep the old one around too though) and presented to people upon install. Of course they probably still wont read it....
If you want i'll help, and the devs aren't against it, just PM me
Main problem is that many people don´t want to read it. They don´t have curiosity to learn the background story and features of weapons and species. They only want to KILL, KILL and ...ahhh ...oh I forget it... KILL.
But we can´t do anything against this. Maybe this kind of people will stop playing because they don´t like mod because they don´t understand it, and only the bests will survive!!!. Hey like natural selection!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The sad thing is, try as you might, <i>n00bs</i> will not read it regardless of where you put it. You can put it in the new player section but the <i>n00bs</i> don't go there. Newbies on the other hand will read it; but they are also the people that read the manual. I doubt that most <i>n00bs</i> can even read, or that they even care to understand how to play, they just want to "$h00tz0rz teh aleenz".
Weep for the state of public servers. -_-
i never read the manual, but i had the common sense to tell that being commander would **** people off if i was a newb, and that i should follow the comm's orders. the only problem i had was when i went gorge, but then someone said "ahm, if u go gorge it takes up our resources" and i said "OH! sorry guys ill evolve back" and went back to skulk. its common sense. nothing will change the ignorant CS guys.
oh btw spikes require 1 hive but bite requires 0. ever tried to survive when all your hives are gone? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hey, im a CS player ...... and i can play NS well, so not all CS players are complete retards thx <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ....I prefer NS over CS, but both are still good mods. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, gettin on-topic...
If new players read the manual, and at least understand some of it, then it makes life easier to help them get into the swing of the game (im all for helping new players who dont have a clue to learn the basic). Even if they dont, they arent always ignorant *******s, and listen to what you try to tell them. (i read the manual, but it didnt make much sense to me... i found people teaching me the basics ingame was big help, and the clan who's server it was ended up recruiting me from it!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Lol, nicely said.
I for one didn't read the manual first. I find that half the fun is the unknown. Finding out how things work. And now I know, I don't mind answering other peoples questions one bit.
Of course, I have read the manual now, for interest when I couldn't play (while at work <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
Hey, im a CS player ...... and i can play NS well, so not all CS players are complete retards thx <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ....I prefer NS over CS, but both are still good mods. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, gettin on-topic...
If new players read the manual, and at least understand some of it, then it makes life easier to help them get into the swing of the game (im all for helping new players who dont have a clue to learn the basic). Even if they dont, they arent always ignorant *******s, and listen to what you try to tell them. (i read the manual, but it didnt make much sense to me... i found people teaching me the basics ingame was big help, and the clan who's server it was ended up recruiting me from it!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
im sorry if i offended you..im talking about the majority of CS players...not the ones who have the brain cells to notice that there are other Mods out there...and i was also pointing out all the CS HATE posts that are going around the NS community...
I for one didn't read the manual first. I find that half the fun is the unknown. Finding out how things work. And now I know, I don't mind answering other peoples questions one bit.
Of course, I have read the manual now, for interest when I couldn't play (while at work <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> ). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, I <i>always</i> read the manual first. Granted, many "professional"/commercial games have really crappy manuals, but many game companies go through a lot of trouble to write good documentation that not only helps you learn the game but also builds the game world and creates a level of immersion. I'm not going to simply brush over their work like it doesn't mean anything.
then drop it and hardcore play whatever i bought for awhile
Myself, like Angelus, is a CS player, started there, and play it and love it when its good, hate it when its bad, but NS kicks the **** out of it because of the great community that exists and supports it...
gtg school now so i keep this short - the slideshow sums up NS pretty damn well, if all n00bs watchd that they would be able to play
Granted, but most games come with tutorial missions/levels that i'll bet alot of people play. Which, unfortunatly, is unlikely to work with NS, but flay might have some leftover magic up his sleve.
Your all right when you say that 5u93r 1337 CS n00b won't try to learn anything no matter what. But when I was a newb I read the manual and did some digging in the forums before playing, and I still didn't have a concept of how most things in the game worked. Then I did some time with a name like ME_IS_NEWB or DONT_GIVE_ME_RESOURCES to warn people, untill I figured most things out. What I think Ego was proposing was something that, with very little reading, a new player could get an instant grasp of why not to be gorge, how to use a phase gate, where weapons come from, how resources are gained, ect. Something like that would have saved the friend of mine who introduced me to the game a lot of flamage.
I dunno, maybe its just my frustration over hearing "How do I buy weapons?" all the time that leads me to support almost anything that has even the slightest chance of keeping people from asking those kinds of questions.
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With any luck that will be part of the 1.1 autohelp changes
The biggest problem facing NS is not balance, it's is the avarage online gamer ready for NS? Throw away your CS/DM stylez, suck it up and don't be afraid to take one for the team. That fade that killed you as you rushed could die to the marine behind you, as long as the fade is dead, your job is done. Kill totals mean less than nothing.
Well put, maybe that should pop up... after some grammer editing....
EDIT: It would also test your spelling and grammer.
I mean a full introduction to the game that describes each evolution of Kharaa and what their roles are in the game, what are the chambers, how they work, what upgrades you have, how can you get new weapons...
NS manual is a fun read, but it doesn't prepare you for your first game. You know some basic stuff, but you have no idea how anything really plays.
Add this and a decent tutorial and newbies have it much easier.
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Great, then there will be only 6 NS players....
hmmm... extend that idea to a server mod:
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> [Hive]
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <--- No, the Hive!
[Hive dies]
<!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <--- Damn teh hives r week
--Server-- You have been kicked due to spelling or grammer errors. Go to class for a change.
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <---Comm, we need more torrents!
--Server-- You have been kicked because you are a complete and total ****, ITS "TURRETS" FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
ect.
<i><User installs game></i>
User: Hmmm, some sort of pop-up multiple choice screen, ehhh?
<i><user reads first question></i>
User: How many hives can the Aliens get? I'll say 69! ROFL!
<i><user reads second question></i>
User: Let's see... a Commander is A) In charge, B) The Marines Leader, or C) Someone to be ignored and ridiculed. C!
<i><user reads final question></i>
User: True or false, you should have at least 4 gorges at all times... TRUE!
<i><questionaire ends, calculates score, then starts up NS Manual under the system context and does not allow the user to close it without rebooting his PC></i>
User: WTF!?!?! MEH GAMEZ0R NOT W0rk D0000Dz!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think this could really be the answer! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
--(13:37) Book of MonsieurEvil, Revised NS Bible, King Flayra edition.
Man I need to get a life.... Maybe I can buy one on E-Bay....
--(13:37) Book of MonsieurEvil, Revised NS Bible, King Flayra edition.
Man I need to get a life.... Maybe I can buy one on E-Bay.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LMAO that ROCKS.
Whoa. 600 posts. That's cool. Or not - I've kinda been going SBV style in the nonsense thread.
on a as-they-come-to-me basis
While we're at it, how about updating the manual? Some of it's starting to gather dust and strange green growths it's so old.
I was thinking maybe the manual ingame thing would be nice, but " N E W B I E S " definitly need something simpiler
to be honest, when i firs tgot game * hours after launch mind you * i was perdy hyped, and i saw the 20 page manual and i got scared :O, but then i thought, must be like CS.. NS sounds laike so..
went in, playe dwith 2 people had no idea
noone read manual, realized, this sucks.
read manual ( over 3 hours of extensive detailed info )
went back in owned all cuz i knew what stuff does <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
but yea, thanks for response heh
Ego
[FACT] - Ladies cant keep there hands off me
- Edit - alota gramatical errors, i can care less however, and am not fixing them - Edit -
Eggo lies! They run and scream when they see him! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
But we can´t do anything against this. Maybe this kind of people will stop playing because they don´t like mod because they don´t understand it, and only the bests will survive!!!. Hey like natural selection!!
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I've heard this complaint about almost every multiplayer team-work based shooter I've ever played. The solution is to implement game mechanics that reward teamwork with ACTION, ACTION, ACTION, and KILL KILL KILL.
Example, on Kharra, the fastest and easiest way to get ACTION ACTION ACTION KILL KILL KILL is to follow the red and yellow blips on your hive-sight which incedentally is the same way to work with your team. So on Kharra, ACTION ACTION ACTION KILL KILL KILL = Teamwork. See you reward teamwork with ACTION ACTION ACTION KILL KILL KILL. That's the way to get random internet scum to work together.
It's completely different for Marines. The best way to get ACTION ACTION ACTION KILL KILL KILL for Marines is to run off by yourself, and work against the team. To run off alone, ramboing. Not to mention that doing team-work like stuff for Marines means doing boring stuff like building structures and welding stuff and sitting defending phase gates and siege cannons and so on...
So change game mechanincs to make Teamwork = ACTION ACTION ACTION KILL KILL KILL, and you get a bunch of computer geeks to work together. That's the only way to do it in my opinion, neat tutorials, or manuals, or special functions (like Tribes2 CC) just don't cut it.
That's just my two cents, though. Flame me at your lesuire.
btw im putting together a little ghetto manual layout, unless ns crew taken the task up, but im sure there busy right now with 1.1 etc <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ego
[FACT] - I drive a nice car