Please dont kill me, but....

Legionnaired · May 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">When will?</div>I hear that all the modeling, and most of the real stuff is laid out, but...

What else needs to be done, exactly?

I reeeeely don't want this mod to go down like Firearms.

They get one update a _year_. Seriously, the team does _nothing_

Obviously, thats NOt the case, here, i mean, god, look at all those awesome models done already.

Basicly though, how much playtesting si left? a year? 6 months?

TychoCelchuuu · May 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Legionnaired @ May 13 2002,20:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basicly though, how much playtesting si left? a year? 6 months?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
no, playtesting will continue "until its done"

Legionnaired · May 2002

I know, i know, but i mean, based on the current rate of progress, can you at least give us all an estimate?

Flayra · May 2002

Hey Legion. I can't give you a firm date, but definitely less then 6 months. OK, that's not very helpful. I'm guessing we're in the # of weeks category, more then 2, less then 16 <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

That said, I am actively shifting things such that we're no longer trying to get everything perfect for the first release, but rather to get a really fun polished first beta, then continue refining it with everyone playing (as opposed to refining it with only the playtesters playing).

Legionnaired · May 2002

Flayra, I believe in Jesus, but your only a rung or two below him.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! :crys with happyness:

I can wait 2 months for a mod of this magnitude. Thank you soooooo much!

realityisdead · May 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Flayra @ May 13 2002,19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm guessing we're in the # of weeks category, more then 2, less then 16 <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
/me takes note of that and gives a sigh of relief

I like the sounds of that. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

SmokeMasta · May 2002

let's hope it doesn't take 16 weeks be4 its' released
but it's better to wait than to have a mod that is not finished at all.

Comprox · May 2002

Who wouldnt like the sound of that? And thats a great attitude there Flayra, you have already met the goal of making it fun IMO! <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Hida_Tsuzua · May 2002

So it's "When it's done + a several weeks" now?

the_stalker · May 2002

ooooo, im so happy =D
dang, i better not get to happy or else my heart will start hearting <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

lazygamer · May 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Legion. I can't give you a firm date, but definitely less then 6 months. OK, that's not very helpful. I'm guessing we're in the # of weeks category, more then 2, less then 16</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ok (16-2)/2+2=9 so 9 weeks is the median and thus is the estimated released date. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

And don't worry FA will rise from the ashes and pwn you all! <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

realityisdead · May 2002

Lol, Hida!

Anyways, I was actually kinda excited about the "16" weeks part... More time to finish my level... <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Anyway, let's not take this out of hand... no bombing Flayra if it isn't out at the end of 16 weeks... We got an estimate finally, but we probably don't want to make it hard on these guys by rubbing it in too far.

Though let me assure you that I'll personally deliver a bomb to his house if he pushes this thing out in less than two weeks. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Reaver_Pryde · May 2002

lol that would be <i>very</i> low. Don't worry, guys, just about all of us worship you as gods at this point. Notice how all the football players always thank Jesus and God whenever they win a game, but never blame him when they lose? It's kinda like that. : )

Reaver

kID-Icarus · May 2002

Flyra, you comment have not having a fun stable beta, and from this comment
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">then continue refining it with everyone playing (as opposed to refining it with only the playtesters playing).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

So i take it that you will be relying on a majority of the players to help out on solving bugs and such? I have a feeling that you were so that above question may sound somewhat idiotic. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just about all of us worship you as gods at this point. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

<b><span style='color:red'>***Snip slightly off topic paragraph on being atheist (or maybe agnostic)***</span></b> (Moderator's note: You do realize of course that he didn't mean that Flayra -was- Jehovah or Allah or anything, right?)

Diogenes_Dog · May 2002

Just to clarify - it'll be an open beta, right? Sounds like it, but just want to make sure.

-dio

realityisdead · May 2002

No, there are internal playtests happening right now. What Flayra meant was Public Version #1. Not a beta... just NS1. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Nor do I think that he's going to be using the community for bug testing. This is already covered. I think all that was meant was that NS1 is not going to be utterly perfect in all departments. Maps might not be totally 100% finished or perfect... Models might need tweaking... gameplay coding might need tweaking... network code might not be totally optomised... etc, etc.

Again, not so much a beta bug hunt deal, just a non-*perfect release. Making the game extremely fun, and getting it out to the public is more important to them than making sure everything is perfectly in order. Keep in mind this doesn't mean that you won't be impressed with what you see... <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

(This is what I gather at least.. could be wrong..)

Diogenes_Dog · May 2002

Ok, that's what I thought. Just different wording.

Thanks. =]

-dio

noname · May 2002

so no beta stages? wow, cant wait. i think the game will be extreamly fun, ive never heard of anything like it before.

GobyWan · May 2002

Can we expect small fixes to be pushed out regularly as bugs/issues are found?

lazygamer · May 2002

IMO I have no problem with us being betatesters. I mean if you call it Beta1 it's not susposed to be perfect now is it? Although at the same time the game needs to be stable, and can't have some things that are vastly unbalanced. Then of course there's still maps to be made and playtested. So they have lots of work.

The problem is, the playtest their doing right now is small scale. So all the beta testers are likely on one server and the games are held at scheduled intervals. This is a good method, but suppose you tripled the beta test team and had "independant" beta tests(Meaning Flayra doesn't have to host the game, testers host their own games and join each others servers).

Reaver_Pryde · May 2002

Oh my god, dude...
I'm really glad the team has decided to do that. It always ticks me off when modmakers decide to release a mod that they know is full of bugs, then whine about immaturity when people complain even a little. I remember CS Beta 1... that was a debacle...
I'll wait as long as it takes for you guys to put out a stable fun version of NS.

btw, would someone do me a favor and send me a message on my messager for these forums about what the difference between an atheist and an agnostic is? And kID-Icarus, I don't know what you said in response to what I said, but I hope I didn't offend you in any way. If you'd like to discuss it, feel free to send me a message.

Reaver

pielemuis · May 2002

I hope they take their time, if it comes out in 6 weeks or later, that would be perfect(with my exams etc.) I'm happy we have some sort of estimate now <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Comprox · May 2002

Its a bit hard to release it early, when some models arent in-game yet, animations arent done, and some other major stuff (not allowed to say) is not in either! Once these are implemented, and the game seems to work, then it will be released. Then the team can work on fixing/making it better/more features <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

lazygamer · May 2002

<span style='color:"red"'><b><i>***INTERNAL IMPLOSION***</span></i></b>

SpyderMonkey: I'd prefer you handle this with a PM, I don't want to tread down this road.

Sono · May 2002

Hu? CS Beta 1 rocked.
OK, it was ful of bugs, the gameplay wasn't what the makers wanted to make, and it was quite buggy, and buggy...
Hm.. thinking over that.

Please dont kill me, but....

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