Gamma Set Server Side?

ZennZenn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12970Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Game needs darkness</div> I was curious if there is a way, or if there are plans to make the gamma settings set server side. Meaning that when you log on, your gamma is temporarily set to a certain level, and unchangeable. Sure, this might hurt those who always claim to be 99% blind and have to have a gamma of insane amounts to see others, but then they can find another server. I personally don't like how some people set there gamma so high as to remove all the dark corners of the map for the little skulks to hide in, it ruins the feel of the game IMO.

Questions? Comments? Flames? Post!


PS: No clue if its been said before, search has NEVER worked for me, so deal with the new thread.

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  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    ok, at first i thought this would be an excellent idea...then you reminded me that some people have crappy screens with bad gamma..how the hell are they gonna play?

    secondly...are you using the right 'search' the one in "my assistant" never ever ever ever works for some reason..use the main one.

    good idea..but it has its faults..

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  • babygirlbabygirl Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12378Members
    It's a good idea, but it wouldn't work. Video cards have different scales for gamma, brightness, etc etc. For example, my gamma is set to '2', while NSPlayer might have theirs set to '3.5', yet both look exactly the same.
  • ZennZenn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12970Members
    Well, then they could look around for other servers, I'm sure some would support the "bright game". At the very least, this would always allow for an even playing field, when either light or dark gamma, cause everyone would have the same settings.

    You'll never get around the people who feel they NEED the gamma set so high it burns the common mans eyes. But there are others who turn it up just for the advantage of having no dark corners. Draw the line.
  • TeoHTeoH Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11640Members
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    omg lol
  • ZennZenn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12970Members
    edited February 2003
    wow, that was intelligent TeoH...here is a fork, go stick it in a toaster, make sure to plug it in first.

    I see no reason why it couldn't be done. There is ALWAYS a way to code something in to do just about anything. babygirl brought up a good point about video cards, maybe that could be gotten around also. It would still be nice to have around. I guess I'll have to set my gamma to max just to be even, so much for a dark and spooky game.
  • XaniethXanieth Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7280Members
    edited February 2003
    I like this idea. And TeoH, please SUYF.
  • Omega1Omega1 Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10263Members
    Personally, looking at it in the aspect that it'll even out gameplay more, I say thumbs up. The problem lies within the community itself, and the wide range of people and machines they use...

    I played Counter-Strike for 3 1/2 years, and thought nothing of my graphics, which were incrediclbly low, until I got a new video card (Radeon 8500, I had a Rage 128). The differenaces are amazing. And so was the brightness, and gamma, and practically everything else. I had been playing CS for 3 1/2 years with only 14 frames per second, and because I had played it out early like that, when I got my new video card, my ratio went from 3/1 to 9/1.

    ANYWAY, what I'm trying to say is that we still need to keep it on the client side, ebcause everyones machine is different (Unless your a fool and buy a machine isntead of make your own <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> , no offense). I know when making maps that you can add in gamma ramps to change the general atmosphere of a room and such, but, that's as much as we have that's controlled via the game itself.

    Nice diea, nontheless.
  • TeoHTeoH Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11640Members
    If you don't want flames, don't ask for flames.

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    Serve you yellow frogs?

    There is no way to set a standard brightness level, it is not possible. The level of brightness is determined by factors ranging all the way out from HL settings, through video card drivers, video card hardware, monitor settings and finally monitor hardware. At best, you can lock HL's gamma setting - this setting already has a limit enforced on it, but guess what? It doesn't mean jack. Anyone who wishes to increase their brightness through their drivers, monitor settings or various methods can do so. And short of flying to peoples houses and checking their monitor, you cannot stop them.
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    Mappers are instructed to make maps dark, but not pitch black in any sense. This is to maintain a gritty dark mood, however, it still allows marines to see aliens. There are plenty of places for skulks to hide without including "dark". It addition, it greatly reduces the advantage given to cheaters who use white models to see people in darkness.
  • ZennZenn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12970Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--TeoH+Feb 10 2003, 07:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeoH @ Feb 10 2003, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is no way to set a standard brightness level, it is not possible. The level of brightness is determined by factors ranging all the way out from HL settings, through video card drivers, video card hardware, monitor settings and finally monitor hardware. At best, you can lock HL's gamma setting - this setting already has a limit enforced on it, but guess what? It doesn't mean jack. Anyone who wishes to increase their brightness through their drivers, monitor settings or various methods can do so. And short of flying to peoples houses and checking their monitor, you cannot stop them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Okay, well....Monitor settings have a far less impact on the quality brightness of the game than the gamma setting. Most people, if they want the game be to brighter, they rack up their gamma a ton. Setting the monitor settings higher does make things brighter, but that usually (in my experience) creates ugly brightness, meaning its simply hard to see things in general, not really giving an advantage to them IMO.

    I'd settle for a lock on the gamma at this point honestly. Others seem to like this idea (wow), I think someone should go ahead and test it out and see what happens.
  • XaniethXanieth Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7280Members
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  • TeoHTeoH Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11640Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zenn+Feb 10 2003, 07:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zenn @ Feb 10 2003, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd settle for a lock on the gamma at this point honestly. Others seem to like this idea (wow), I think someone should go ahead and test it out and see what happens. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is already a lock on gamma, it might not be as low as you'd like but its there. The problem is it doesn't really matter much, because there are many other ways of adjusting gamma that HL has no control over.

    Example: I can load NS, then alt-tab out to the desktop, and increase the gamma correction of my GF3 at the driver level, then go back into NS and have the game as bright as i want it.
  • ZennZenn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12970Members
    Don't you lose sound from alt-tabbing? I always have, thats never been fixed as far as I know. Since I got XP, not only do I lose sound, but I also get a stupid mouse cursor on my screen pointing straight at my x-hairs.

    Maybe there is a way to lock down the brightness that hasn't been thought of yet, I would never put it past a programmer to find a way to do anything on a computer <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TeoHTeoH Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11640Members
    I don't lose sound, that sort of thing would be OS/Hardware specific and probably only effects a few people.
  • masterswordmanmasterswordman Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11303Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Feb 10 2003, 07:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Feb 10 2003, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It addition, it greatly reduces the advantage given to cheaters who use white models to see people in darkness. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wouldn't a cheater most likely use lambert??? I've had my video card mess up for like a second showing that white stuff. Oh and according to the CS guys lambert makes things "glow", just ask any CS player, I mean any CS player but me YEAH.
  • mRWafflesmRWaffles Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4713Members
    My whole desktop glows because my monitor has problems and there are many many gamma settings. If you turn on my computer you'd be like WTF did you nuke it? However in NS the darkness is at a respectable level. There are so many factors right down do your monitor's power (mine has some weird problem that's why I had to nuke the screen). 3d cards, drivers, opengl, its impossible to enforce. I beleive it should be an honor code based principle. I know cheaters suck etc, what you need is a good community of people who aren't afraid to play a game the way it was meant to be made. Don't flame ToeHw <- whatever> because he has a good point.

    It is impossible.
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