Freindly Fire Servers?

Harry_S_Truman · February 2003

I can't find any!

Seems as if this game would take on a whole new level of "finesse" without all the spam.

Anyone know of any? Any comments about it if you have? I want to try it!

ShadowXOR · February 2003

I think it would suck, you would get blasted by noobs constantly.

Berger · February 2003

No, because the noobs couldn't stand to play without the spam. They would get fed up with getting yelled at and leave.

I did a quick filter with ASE. Here are some decent looking ones:

207.126.64.35:27035
195.4.17.59:27015
62.80.111.48:27015

Zel · February 2003

wouldnt that give skulks an advantage over marines?

Ollj · February 2003

when FF is on turrests and offense chambers attack and kill each other because they have no brain.
Thats why its disabled and not because of noobs or an alien advantage.

Lucid · February 2003

Friendly fire is only taken at 33.3% of the actual damage so it wouldn't be as bad as you think. Any damage you do to yourself is still at 50%

Berger · February 2003

Only if the marines had no knowledge of squad tactics whatsoever. And I've found that in FF servers, it's very easy to kill a fellow alien when you're both whailing away on the same building.

Iden · February 2003

I like to occasionally set my server to Tournament mode for fun. Yes, there are a few bugs with chambers and turrets. I watched five offensive chambers destroy themselves as they fired at a res node. At first I thought I had placed them wrong and they were hitting each other.

Then there was only one left. I watch horrified as each time it spit the projectile flung out and hit the marine res node... and the OC's health dropped. My perfect chokepoint had just annihilated itself.

eaglec · February 2003

The OT problem should really be fixed for 1.1. I hope it's not forgotten. I used to run in tournement mode and much prefer a game with FF on. Occasionally some lamers would try to ruin the game with tk but a warning, then a slap and a warning (slap is good at getting attention) and finally a 30minute ban solved the problem before too much harm was done. Since 1.04 removed the Tournement mapcycle though I have had to revert to public rules.

Flayra - WHY? Why did you do this to us?

Ollj · February 2003

30 minute ban? oh no. dont bann ppl for a half game round. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Harry_S_Truman · February 2003

Didn't know the turrets blew each other up...that's hilarious! Do OC do the same thing?

I'd be mucho glado if the noobs hated friendly fire and all left. I found that all the decent DoD servers were FF servers, THATS where the serious players play.

Get rid of acid spam, grenade spam, turret spam, MG spam, spam and eggs, sauage-spam and eggs, spam-spam-spam-baked beans-spam-spam-spam and spam.

uh...you get the idea....

eaglec · February 2003

exactly, apart from the odd looser you find players play better on FF servers - obviously it's not for everyone but I can't even set my server to Tourney now without rotating the maps myself. Why nerf mapcycle? Please Flayra - or whoever made the descision tell us why...

Harry_S_Truman · February 2003

So what I'm hearing is that for one reason or another, this mod isn't really ready for FF yet?

Ladyskunk · February 2003

I've tried one FF server. Kept watching the Marines off each other while trying to get a single skulk running about chomping everything in its path.

Wound up getting killed more often than not by other skulks when we were all working to kill buildings.

Fortunately, there were no llamas about trying to screw up everything. People were actually apologizing over the voice comm.

Ah well,

Take care all.

LS

Thansal · February 2003

yes, you see both teams get serious disadvantages

soe might say it balances it, I just think it makes it annoying to play, skulk attacks looses nearly all effective ness b/c they either kill eath other or are too wary and don't do anything (I don't like FF and melee at all)

then I also think that FF is just a bad idea (3 hive aliens become just uterly prone to killing each other, spores, charge, bile, babblers, xeno all of the 3 hives have issues)

meh, jsut my 2 cents

oh, and if you want to find em:
<a href='http://www.udpsoft.com/eye/' target='_blank'>http://www.udpsoft.com/eye/</a>

T_RAT · February 2003

Not as much fun i dont think.

I guess its just the nature of half life to have ff in tourny mode.

Though FF does bring out better skillks and tactics.

eaglec · February 2003

I think it makes it more fun, you have to work on your accuracy - check your targets etc...

stategy and teamplay skill become far more important..

$0.02 spent.

Killymagee · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Harry S. Truman @ Feb 6 2003, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Get rid of acid spam, grenade spam, turret spam, MG spam, spam and eggs, sauage-spam and eggs, spam-spam-spam-baked beans-spam-spam-spam and spam.

uh...you get the idea....  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Ha Ha Ha! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Harry_S_Truman · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 8 2003, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yes, you see both teams get serious disadvantages

soe might say it balances it, I just think it makes it annoying to play, skulk attacks looses nearly all effective ness b/c they either kill eath other or are too wary and don't do anything (I don't like FF and melee at all)

then I also think that FF is just a bad idea (3 hive aliens become just uterly prone to killing each other, spores, charge, bile, babblers, xeno all of the 3 hives have issues)

meh, jsut my 2 cents

oh, and if you want to find em:
<a href='http://www.udpsoft.com/eye/' target='_blank'>http://www.udpsoft.com/eye/</a>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
This is my point exactly. Using FF will force a change in playstyle. That doesn't make it "bad" at all, just different. With all those splash and area weapons, new tactics would need to be developed.

ShuflY · February 2003

I don't think Friendly Fire is suitable for public play. Having FF on requires the players use skill that they normally do not think about, which is not accidentally shooting their teammates. Not only are you going to have the occasional grief player that kills his own team's players for fun, but you will have Joe Newbie constantly shooting you in the back because he is not used to being able to hurt teammates. If you are into losing health by the poor aim of your teammates, then go for it, but I only like to play with FF on private servers where every player invited knows how to shoot their gun and can be trusted to not attack their own players on accident.

eaglec · February 2003

actually I dont think you can ever trust people not to do stuff by accident.. but when I ran my server with FF on most people quickly got used to the idea, a few skulks got trampled by ono's and the odd lerk got taken out by a mis-timed acid rocket and occasionally a marine would fall to wild hmg fire but all FF actually did was highlight to players how many bullets they normally wasted.
FF on does require the admin to be around 'just in case' or to allow players vote-kick privaledge as there are some lamers who will use it to mess up a game, it does require that your team gives thought to where their shots are going but I think the admin should have the choice to run a FF server if he chooses to. There are 400+ servers to choose from so the default game will always be available if that is what you like.
Do we have an official response on this at all?

TeoH · February 2003

FF on is standard proceedure in a clan game, and with good reason. You complain that you might die if your team overdoses on 3-hive spam weapons with no thought for where they're going? Thats entirely the point.

FF has a significant impact on late game, it demands caution and precision when firing. Everytime you see a group of marines moving with a GL guy, who can spam the floor around his teammates whenever anything comes close to them - remember that if this was tournement mode they'd all be dead. FF rewards players who can aim their weapons instead of tossing grenades around like potatoes out of a basket.

Shockeh · February 2003

Why say most people won't handle FF?

They do in most other FPS Team games....

Freindly Fire Servers?

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