I Thought I'd Seen It All

Kotau · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">NS server admin cheating</div> That's right,

[TuFF] Communities Natural Selection v1.04 63.210.65.61:27016

The admin was giving away via global chat our positions, weaknessess, etc.

Then the marines talking about how great of a job they did when the entire alien team f4'd

A poor reflection on the tuff clan, and that server in general..

Y'all got any war stories about crooked admins?

j0e · February 2003

when there's only 4-6 people on one of my servers, i will sometimes use sv_cheats to give the marines a few extra resource towers or turrets because the teams are so unbalanced, but no one has complained yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> and i just do it so it's more fun for everyone. i would never ever cheat to help one team win <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

would you consider that admin abuse, or a good use of admin power?

cracker_jackmac · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (j0e @ Feb 1 2003, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> when there's only 4-6 people on one of my servers, i will sometimes use sv_cheats to give the marines a few extra resource towers or turrets because the teams are so unbalanced, but no one has complained yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> and i just do it so it's more fun for everyone. i would never ever cheat to help one team win <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

would you consider that admin abuse, or a good use of admin power?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
i find it useful but i'm rarely even on my own damn server...ggrrr.....but yes....3v3 or something...sv_cheats is a good thing

eaglec · February 2003

I think I'd class that as abuse - the game is supposed to be level at the start, after the first minute of play one team has normally taken the advantage and this advantage can change and swing for the duration of the game. If one team starts winning I don't think they should be punished, especially as you only mention helping out the marines !

on the other hand...
If the marines were victim of a w***er who jumped in the comm and blew all their resources on purpose just to **** them over then I think it would not be admin abuse to kick and ban the lamer and use sv_cheats to restore the marines resources.

Obviously these are only my opinions, if you would like me to supply someone elses that will take longer.

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[edit] decided to censor myself as I am suprised w***er got through the filter ! [/edit]

j0e · February 2003

with 3 vs 3, the marines really have almost no chance, if they don't win in the first 2 minutes. it's because a) a solitary marine can't really do anything except run around looking for something to kill and b) marine resource income is multiplied by # of players, whereas alien income is static. so with 3 marines, aliens can have 3 hives up before marines can even get heavy MG. like i said, i only do it so it's more fun for everyone. kicking **** easily isn't fun for the aliens (well, not as much as a good game), and 3 marines with no armor or weapons vs 3 onos definitely isn't fun for the marines

lyndak · February 2003

you've got a point, and i agree with you joe

eaglec · February 2003

Yes, unformatunately any idiot can start a server, and often does resulting in the 480 or so servers that we see running natural selection. It is not the number of servers that we need is quality, I see so many servers that have been stuck up by someone double clicking the NS dedicated server icon and that's it after that they are left to fend for themselves.

Admins need to take an active role in their servers, and I believe that is hat Joe is trying to do. Personally I dont get on well with his servers but they do seem to be well run, just not to my taste.

Unfortunately the other extreme is the immature admin who believes that just because it's his server he should always win. If there was some way to stop these losers from even downloading NS I would be all for it! A small group of admins have set up a server ring to police the quality of servers which I think is a good thing, I haven't joined because.. well I cant remember, I'll look again!

The other option is for players to do what I do and use a 3rd party server selection tool (gamespy arcade in my case) you can then set the sort and filter options very acurately and more important stick a coloured marker by servers you do/dont like. For me, I have blue=good and red=bad with the various grades in the middle.

Driftwood · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eaglec @ Feb 2 2003, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> (gamespy arcade in my case)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Just a quick note that All seeing eye <a href='http://www.updsoft.com/eye/' target='_blank'>http://www.updsoft.com/eye/</a> does everything Gamespy Arcade does and it does it a lot better. Also, it isn't riddled with spyware like Gamespy arcade.

eaglec · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Driftwood- @ Feb 3 2003, 03:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ...it isn't riddled with spyware like Gamespy arcade... </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I have checked GSA 1.2 and 1.4 for spyware and it came up clean - I think you refer to the adware which is completly different stuff and far less worrying, or perhaps the older version were a bit dodgey? Adware is still anoying though and as I missed the $20 for life registration option and they now want $20 per year to get rid of the adverts. I don't like renting software so I may well check out All Seeing Eye as I have heard many good things. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

[edit] Just tried it, yes it's OK but what you forgot to mention was that you can only use it free for 21 days, after that you have to pay $10 per year so I think I'll stick with the free GSA and just ignore the adverts![/edit]

Duck · February 2003

ummm... it doesn't quit working after 21 days.

verbose · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duck @ Feb 2 2003, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ummm... it doesn't quit working after 21 days.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
It's an honor-system thing. If you've used it for 21 days, and continue to use it, don't you think you can spare 10 bones to support it? That centralized scanning setup doesn't come free for UDPsoft...

Onuma · February 2003

To hell with ASE - I just use HLSW. It works like a charm. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'>

Driftwood · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eaglec @ Feb 2 2003, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think you refer to the adware  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Oops, A little mixup of terms there on my part. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just tried it, yes it's OK but what you forgot to mention was that you can only use it free for 21 days, after that you have to pay $10 per year so I think I'll stick with the free GSA and just ignore the adverts!</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I'm not sure what ASE's current policy is about registration, but I have never heard that registration wouldn't be obligatory. I have used it for ages and haven't paid a dime. God knows I should have, it's such a good software.

It could be that Updsoft didn't get enough money to operate the thing without ads and a non-obligatory registration. In their homepage their future plans seem to be ASE 2.0 and ASE Lite. Guess the free market got to them. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Grimm_Spector · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (j0e @ Feb 1 2003, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> when there's only 4-6 people on one of my servers, i will sometimes use sv_cheats to give the marines a few extra resource towers or turrets because the teams are so unbalanced, but no one has complained yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> and i just do it so it's more fun for everyone. i would never ever cheat to help one team win <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

would you consider that admin abuse, or a good use of admin power?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I'd complain, it's just as easy for a small force of marines to win as it is for a small force of aliens, since the aliens aren't exactly getting the same number or resources, and thus can't support 2 gorges to try to take the map by force....

I'd NEVER interfere with a game and give either team anything extra....I'd definitely consider it abuse....this might only be valid in training in a priv, to prolong a game and to show some individuals particular things...like how to knife and onos...

Grimm_Spector · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eaglec @ Feb 2 2003, 01:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think I'd class that as abuse - the game is supposed to be level at the start, after the first minute of play one team has normally taken the advantage and this advantage can change and swing for the duration of the game. If one team starts winning I don't think they should be punished, especially as you only mention helping out the marines !

on the other hand...
If the marines were victim of a w***er who jumped in the comm and blew all their resources on purpose just to **** them over then I think it would not be admin abuse to kick and ban the lamer and use sv_cheats to restore the marines resources.

Obviously these are only my opinions, if you would like me to supply someone elses that will take longer.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

[edit] decided to censor myself as I am suprised w***er got through the filter ! [/edit]  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
sorry for the double post, I'd have to agree with this one, it wouldn't be abuse to rebalance the game, after some lamer ruins it...

masterswordman · February 2003

I have to say I'm an admin that constently abuses the admin_csay, and other talk functions. But it is lame to do almost anything else, unless it is needed.

Akalamanaia · February 2003

most lamest thing is:server owner kicking and banning ya because you single handedly(without backup),walk by offense chambers,go to their first hive,kill it and they loose <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

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