I Hope This Gets Better In The Future

KaliKali Join Date: 2002-07-01 Member: 858Members
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">The pings</div> When simply running around the server, I have a ping around 150-200 with choke 20. But as soon as a battle starts, pings get up to 500+ and choke to 90-100. A lot of other persons have the same problem. Isn't there a possibility of optimizing that in future versions?
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  • porpporp Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7445Members
    No, there isn't a possibility. They are unaware of the issue and if they were, they wouldn't want to fix it because they dont want anyone to play their mod. They don't care at all about pings. They want everyone to have high pings. They are ignoring this issue completely.

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  • Dr_ShaggyDr_Shaggy Join Date: 2002-09-26 Member: 1340Members, Constellation
    When I am running around in the server I have low pings (50 - 100) and this doesn't change when "the battle starts". This may be a slow server you are visiting, or this may be due to a slow internet connection. I've seen large servers (20+ players) with many sub 150 pings, so as far as I'm concerned the NS "net-code" is completely acceptable.
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  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited January 2003
    porp:
    As soon as you figure out C++ and how HL's network exchange works, and then how every system every made handles the data HL and NS send it, and the you figure out how to optimize all that to every machine, (which involves rewriting most of the HL engine) you let flay know, and I'm sure he'll let you solve the problem.

    Until then, play and shut up, or don't play and shut up.
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  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    Kali, it's not so much the fault of the NS team as it is of the server admin of the server you played on.

    It has been stated time and time again that NS has high server requirements. If server admins insist on running servers on computers who's CPU can't handle it, it's the server admin's fault.

    I run an NS server for clan scrims occasionally on a Duron 800. It's a 12 player server, and so far the pings have never been unreasonable. However, the Duron 800 is right on the edge, because fully loaded on certain maps the minimum ping becomes ~100ms (as in people playing on a LAN get that). Still fully playable, but getting close...
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  • eagleceaglec Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9948Members, Constellation
    I can only assume porp was being sarcastic in response to Kali, which is a bit lame. Either that or he is a complete idiot. Oh well.

    Kali, what kind of connection, PC , OS are you using have you played other Half-Life mods on-line recently such as CS, DoD, TFC? Did they gove you similar problems? Finally what servers are you playing on and which country are you connecting through, US, UK, France, etc...?

    basically I, and many others who use broadband can easily get sub 100ms pings for an entire game. It appears though that your ping is affected by the demand put on your PC and graphics card and isn't all that good to begin with.

    This could be as simple as a poor or low powered CPU (say Cyrix or K6-2) combined with 'not very good graphics' like on board or PCI, TNT/Voodoo1 ATI Rage ? and/or using a 56k win modem...

    In short - NEED MORE INFO.
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  • porpporp Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7445Members
    edited January 2003
    I'm sorry rob, but you replied seriously to a completely ironic post that I made, which was itself in response to what I thought a completely dumb post.

    As for the rest, despite college experience in C++, network code is not my area of expertise in the games industry.
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  • AcKzAcKz Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10079Banned
    Rob, even though sarcasm is hard to detect on the net, you're pretty stupid!
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  • KaliKali Join Date: 2002-07-01 Member: 858Members
    edited January 2003
    - I know the problems with the server admins, that they should reduce the slots ( -2 )
    - My CS and DoD Pings are around 100
    - The high NS pings are on most of the servers I play on, except my own one. I hoped to get any ideas to have better connections to all servers [ optimized configs or changes with the next NS version ).
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  • DocZDocZ Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9831Members
    edited January 2003
    Rob, I can't believe you didn't pick up on the sarcasm.
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  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Wow...can't even repremand people around here without recrimination.

    Let's get one thing straight:
    I don't care if it was sarcasm. I don't care if it was serious. I don't like seeing people flaming, screaming at, or otherwise turning this board into a cesspool.
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  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I get somewhere from 40-100 ping always. =D you need to find a better server.
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  • porpporp Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7445Members
    Whatever you say, Forum Moderator, but I don't think my post really qualifies as flame, 'screaming' , or cess.
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  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--porp+Jan 11 2003, 10:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (porp @ Jan 11 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Whatever you say, Forum Moderator, but I don't think my post really qualifies as flame, 'screaming' , or cess.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hate to say this, but Porp brought up a GREAT point... Forum Mods shouldn't get too involved in posts, IMHO. Some positions sure, but the thick sarcasm should be rarely used, if at all, regardless of how stupid or n00bified a topic is. If it's that bad, lock it, don't go making a double standard for us and you (the mods).

    otherwise I think this is just a guy trying to boost his posts with a flame war.. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> and nobody's stopping him (aka is continuing the flamey nature of this thread)
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  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    He's the Moderator, you post by his rules, it isn't your right to post here. Honestly, whether you like or not, what they say goes. So it's just something you'll have to live with.
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  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Look, sarcasm to new members NEVER helps the situation. If you can't help, keep your trap shut. I try my hardest at this position, but I'm only human, I do make mistakes. Bottom line is this: don't post unless you've got something nice to say.
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  • Evil_TimmyEvil_Timmy Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2350Members
    Ehh, yeah, servers need good-quality hardware. On my Athlon 1GHz with 384MB PC133, my server could handle 14 users before everyone was pinging over 100. On my Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB Corsair (aggressive timings), I've been able to get 32 people playing at once with pings in the low 80s (all local; I called up a bunch of friends and had them connect via fast broadband). Also, remember, the performance of a server is not just on the up-front numbers, but the quality of the hardware and the more specific timings. Both my processor and my memory are running at a 166MHz FSB, and the memory is using the fastest CAS settings (2.0/2/2/5/1T), and this improved performance in benchmarks by 15% and NS performance by about 25%.
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  • T_RATT_RAT Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10967Members, Reinforced - Gold
    Im thinking u must be on Dial-up for that kind of ping.
    Three cheers for those who can play on dial-up.
    Me i cant stand dial-up, my pings r usually 50 -150 in 20 man server. lag free for me.
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  • porpporp Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7445Members
    Ok, Rob. No sarcasm on the NS board. Fine.

    However, don't characterize me as some meany bullying newbies, because that's not the case. If anything, he has more posts than I do.
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  • parkanparkan Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9128Members
    edited January 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--rob6264+Jan 11 2003, 07:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rob6264 @ Jan 11 2003, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->....I don't like seeing people flaming, screaming at, or otherwise turning this board into a cesspool.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You would be the one doing that.










    Will that get me banned? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • parkanparkan Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9128Members
    Anyways, back to topic. In my experience the main issue is the half-assed port of hl server to linux. While it does not manifest itself with other mods, NS seems to have issues both in the performance (high pings on linux boxen) and general gameplay issues (hivesight/motion tracking not working). I believe that while it /is/ HL's fault, primarily, there are ways to work around it. Of course, since there's a host of other problems, we'll have to switch to windoze to avoid ping hell.
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  • eagleceaglec Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9948Members, Constellation
    Kali,
    Servers and servers admins are not the problem. Many people (the majority of broadband users) get sub 100ms pings IF they pick a good server. Tell us what hardware you are using so we can work out what sort of response you should be getting and if there are any configuation settings that might help.
    To help pick a fast server there is dedicated software that does a better job that the rather dated Half-Life interface - have a look at GameSpyArcade. GSA will show you the exact ping to a server before you join, it's fairly painless to install and set up and contains no nasty stuff (no spyware etc) just a few adverts to help pay for it!

    porp, rob and others,
    Please stop flooding this thread with shite. You've all made your opinions clear and they are no longer relevent to the topic. If you want tocarry on the discusion please do it on another thread. Time to return to the matter at hand.
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