Locking Posts?

Rbeat100 · January 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Why? Good reason please.</div> Maybe this should be in the off topic area.

Moderating posts is fine, like removing the offensive ones etc.

But why oh why do you have to lock posts? Its a form of censoring. You are stopping people from adding to the discussion. At the moment, this is what happens.

1. Some1 raises a point that has been made before.

2. People start to discuss it again, possibly adding new arguments to the discussion.

3. Admin comes along and locks it.

4. You either have to forget the point you wanted to make before u realised it was locked.

OR

5. Start a new post. Which will probably be locked.

In the end, we are going to get to a point where everything has been discussed. What happens then, does everything just get locked?

NS is probably going to be here for along long time, new people will come here. So, please, get used to the fact now that people are going to end up raising the same points.

The only problems i can see with letting a post run and run is running out of space, and with the problems your having around here, who knows?

Predictions for the next forum crash?

Predictions for the length of the next forum crash?

Comprox · January 2003

Posts are never locked if people are discussing an idea, even if it has been talked about hundreds of times before. Just, usual those posts get full of flames of "STFU n00b", and due to those, they get locked more often then other posts. No post is locked without a good reason, be that there is flamming, spamming, illegal content, but never just because we find it silly or pointless.

Rbeat100 · January 2003

Really?

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=18551&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=18551&st=15</a>

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Should someone not yet have noticed, this topic hasn't only been discussed to death, it was also resurrected and killed again. Multiple times.
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But yeah, if its just full of flaming i understand that.

geldonyetich · January 2003

I take it Nemesis Zero is just a little tired of hearing the topic is all.

I will note that tired as he may be to hear it, this topic (he who possesses two hives wins in 1.03) is nonetheless at the forefront of many experienced player's minds, and cannot be stressed enough.

At the same time, however, I suppose if he left those threads unlocked everybody would run screaming from the forum as it slowly overfills with balance related angst.

Suffice to say, to an extent, moderators are their own judge, jury, and executioner. Get used to it.

Catgirl · January 2003

Well...as soon as you start paying for the bandwidth this board uses, the machine it's on, the time of the admins who have to flip through pages and pages of the same garbage and keep their patience...I'm sure they'll be perfectly willing to do what you'd like.

Rico1 · January 2003

First of all, aliens dont win 80% of the time. Secondly, It HAS been discussed 1000000 times and mods have had the experience that most of those kind of posts usually:

1) Waste forum bandwith
2) Neither side convinces the other
3) It eventually climbs up into a flame

Those sound like good reasons to me, don't they?

Comprox · January 2003

Ok, you're right about that post <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> But yes, that is one topic that not even Einstein could shed new light on. Seeing a general outline of what Flayra wants to fix in 1.1, all arguments on that topic have been taken in, and every single "problem" looks like it will be addressed, no more need to argue about it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Rbeat100 · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Well...as soon as you start paying for the bandwidth this board uses, the machine it's on, the time of the admins who have to flip through pages and pages of the same garbage and keep their patience...I'm sure they'll be perfectly willing to do what you'd like. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Well, seeing as often as the damn thing goes down, i think i might just be able to afford that. j/k.

Im not asking them to do what I want, it wasnt even my post. I just think that its wrong to lock a post on the bases that its been discussed before. Even if it has been "Discussed to death". Surely if it had been discussed to death, people wouldnt be replying.

Catgirl · January 2003

Are you joking? People love to argue with each other over the same stupid thing with no possible resolution over it.

Basically it boils down to one side saying "We're right" and the other side saying "We're right" and them both reiterating the same points over and over and over, eventually exchanging facts for flames until one of the poor beleagured moderators comes along, sighs, and shuts the damn thing down, for the 700th time.

geldonyetich · January 2003

The term you are looking for there is probably something along the lines of: "unwavering opinions stemming from different perspectives of several posters."

However, since I know everything then naturally anybody that argues with me is just arguing against the very progress of humanity!!!!!

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='turret.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='siege.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'>

Rbeat100 · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Are you joking? People love to argue with each other over the same stupid thing with no possible resolution over it.

Basically it boils down to one side saying "We're right" and the other side saying "We're right" and them both reiterating the same points over and over and over, eventually exchanging facts for flames until one of the poor beleagured moderators comes along, sighs, and shuts the damn thing down, for the 700th time. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Surely this is the point of a forum? To let us debate things.

If something turns into a flame, sure, lock it down. But if its just 2 people arguing over a point, who cares? You are not forced to read it.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1) Waste forum bandwith
2) Neither side convinces the other
3) It eventually climbs up into a flame

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1. I knew there was a space problem ! Maybe we need to start donating to the NS website.
2. Where is the problem here?
3. Then this is the time to lock it.

Fantasmo · January 2003

*My thoughts on these posts in general.*

My personal experience is that if you disagree with a certain post being locked it is best to e-mail the Admin who locked it and present your case directly to them. If worse comes to worse and you feel he has abused his powers then forward your e-mails to the senior Admin.

It's a matter of respect and is probably more effective then posting thread disputing the reasons for why your thread was locked.

1. Locking is at their discretion.
2. It is the Admin's opinion which counts. It doesn't matter if every forum goer agrees with you. At the end of the day it is the Admin who says what goes so take your case to <i>him</i>.

Just my thoughts on these types of threads.

*Regarding that particular post.*

He should have done a search before posting. I understand he probably didn't intend to start a debate but if he wanted to know if there are particular values or tactics that make the game inbalanced he should have done the <b>search</b> because there would have bound to a few threads on the topic.

Look at the Total Posts Stat for General Discussions. Could your question be answered somewhere in the 4189 threads and 66120 replies in there?

Use the search, it is a good tool.

geldonyetich · January 2003

Wait a sec, are we getting into a flame war over varying opinions regarding why it is that admins lock threads due to varying opinions causing flame wars?

Because, if we are, I really like the irony of that.

Rbeat100 · January 2003

hmmmm <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> When does a heathly debate become a flame war? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Good question.

Fantasmo · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (geldonyetich @ Jan 5 2003, 04:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Wait a sec, are we getting into a flame war over varying opinions regarding why it is that admins lock threads due to varying opinions causing flame wars?

Because, if we are, I really like the irony of that.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> <b>*LoL*</b> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> I like that! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

I'm not sure if this qualifies as a flame war but damn amusing thought you had geldonyetich. I got a good laugh. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Narfwak · January 2003

Saying the same things over and over again in seperate threads wastes space on the forum archives, too. Besides, it's just so n00bish for people to create sweeping threads that propose ideas that have been killed a hundred times before. Locking an ignorant thread is fine.

Greedo · January 2003

There are some topics that we are just going to lock because it's been discussed many times in the past, and no matter how much new discussion there is on the matter, it won't change anything. For instance, marines in NS will never bleed when hit, regardless of public opinion on the matter.
Some ideas may be locked if they've been specifically denied in the past, if they simply will not work, or if they're not good ideas. <i>May</i> be locked, mind you.
If there are multiple threads about the same topic, especially if both are on the front page, of course one is going to be locked.

There are many reasons to lock a topic, and I'm sure that the other mods aren't just arbitrarilry locking them.

geldonyetich · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rbeat100 @ Jan 5 2003, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>hmmmm <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> When does a heathly debate become a flame war? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Good question.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DON'T KNOW YOIU (@)#$(#@()$(@ @#$@#$!!

(In other words, where a flame war starts is much like where a 2000 lb Gorilla gets to sit in a movie theatre. Anywhere it wants.)

uranium_235 · January 2003

The only admin who is lock-happy is Nemesis Zero. I mean, Rhodes and Comprox will nuke your posts if they're flaming other people, but Nemesis Zero will lock a 26 page thread because of something someone said in post #14 about how he doesn't like the color red.

Nemesis Zero: This has been discussed to death. <b><span style='color:red'> **LOCKED**</span></b>

Comprox: Flayra has very clearly stated [Insert repetetive idea]. Argue away though guys, keep it nice <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Gnatsum · January 2003

the way i see it, these guys lock up threads too much,

i've been to many forums and seen many "controversial" discussions that should have been locked up from page 1 but ended up turning into a great disscusion that definitly deserves a good read with many positive (and negative) comments in the end.

just try not to lock up threads, especially controversial ones, i know you are doing us a favour, but many of us have seen the light of the world and have been back to tell about it.

blah

Comprox · January 2003

The general ideas to be done in 1.1 haven't been publically stated yet. Let's get 1.04 out the door before we start worrying about 1.1 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

And yes, a dead, flame full topic could become some amazing discussion, but this is gaming forums. Can we say less chance than winning that 10 million dollar lotto? hehe

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