Admins Abusing Their Power

Supernorn · December 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">im sick of being kicked 4 no reason!</div> im starting to get really **obscenity** angry at admins
i just played on Evolutionary challenged, which i know is very good, i marked it as a favorite. i read through all the rules and stuf you have to sit through...blah blah

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here are the rules:

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"you will be warned, then kicked and/or banned"

i was "warned" by having my voice-comm disabled...fair, seeing as i was screaming down it as my voice comm is pretty crap.
i noticed that even though i was not pressing alt, my voice comm was still transmitting...i could do nothing...so i forgot about it until like three seconds later when i was kicked....

came back in..asked nicely if i could have my voice comm back.
no reply...apparently no-one reads text.

then the commander says

GET TO CARGO!
GET TO CARGO !
GET TO CARGO!

fair enough order, so i followed the wp...then he shouts

"GO THROUGH THE **obscenity** PHASE GATE AT BASE YOU MORON"

well....id call that "HARRASMENT" which is one of the rules that should not be broken.

i pointed this out.

i was kicked.

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i came back in fairly **obscenity** off at the admins abusing their power.
it ended with me saying:

"admins are **obscenity**"

where i kindly removed myself from the server, along with the "favorite" mark.

i know the owner of this server comes here and id like to know if this is the admins being OTT or its just me.

cracker_jackmac · December 2002

I also, am very interested in how he responds to your post. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

although my alliance is about to flop because nobody is emailing me, my alliance would have ruled out this server for it because of the admin behavior.

Supernorn · December 2002

thank you for your support. Especially seeing as your an Admin yourself <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
i was kind of expecting more posts to this....mmm

playerhater · December 2002

There is always a reason for getting kicked! I run an NS server and Co-run a CS server, and I put up with alot of smack from players. I pretty much ignore most of it to a point and I realize people get excited so I play along. However, there is a point where enough is enough! Afterall, it is my server, my bandwidth, so I kick and ban people that rub me the wrong way. In the three or four years I have been playing Half-Life I have never been banned or kicked from any other server. So I got to say that you probably deserved getting kicked.

Supernorn · December 2002

er...just because youve never been kicked or banned from a server then it means that i must of done something wrong?
mmm....i understand why i was WARNED, which was that i was spamming voicecomm...fair.
but being kicked after that even though i had stopped what i had been warned for i dont understand...also being kicked for pointing out someone breaking the rules i also do not understand...please enligten me oh mighty Admin....

death1 · December 2002

maybe someone was having a bad day... certainly didnt sound like things were goin the marines' way during that round

anyway, EC's got a nice forum and IRC channel for this kind of discussion

you may get a better response/reaction there

-d$

Supernorn · December 2002

mmm...seeing as the game had practically just started, i doubt the admins were not "feeling their usual self"
although i think one of the admins was getting continously killed, so maybe that made him a little quick to anger...if that *IS* the case, i certainly dont see as taking your anger out on others an acceptable action for an Admin.

GreyPaws · December 2002

I played in a server for HL for over 3 years, it called Creature Feature, and it used to be the best server on the west coast for HL. The admin there (Tweaker) ran the server stock (like it was meant to be run) no bullcrap admin mods, no ping tweaks no lang filters. There were times when I wished he would Kick or Ban some people, but what made that server great is the fact that the Admin understood that all gamers sometimes feel angry and need to express it, he never kicked or banned anyone in the 3 years the server was running. He never even threatened the worst noob spammer llama, and you know what happened? A good steady crowd of awesome players developed, and when stupidity surfaced it was stammped out by the people playing in the actual server. Admins should only keep their boxes running clean, if they say "Its my bandwith, Ill do what I want" they are running the game for the wrong reasons. If you make a public server dont run it like its a private one, if you want to have 2 pages of rulez put up a password and see how many regulars youll actually get. If its public, its should be free from ANY Admin intervention (unless of course the moron is using flooding or DOS, denial of service, not the disk oprt. sys.) anything else I call the Pig Syndrome and if you know the Cops in LA you know what I mean. People who were abused as teens who want to take it out on the world (like 80% of the police force in LA) well thats my $0.02 I hate overbearing Admins

Brutus · December 2002

cracker jackmac, I think what you are trying to do is a good idea, but I think you have not taken into account some things. Rules for servers are setup so a certain type of player will play on them. If you want to allow profanity on your server then that is fine, but don't expect other servers to do so, and don't label them as abusive when they kick/ban people for breaking their rules.

I personaly would never play on a server where the rules were not enforced.

supernorn2000, is this the whole story? Maybe you did do something without realizing it, and the admins enforced their rules.

Greedo · December 2002

"The administrators might kick you to clear slots from time to time, live with it."

I know that occasionaly the admins will kick a person to clear a slot (generally the person who's been on the least amount of time, or with the least familiar name). Sometimes the kicked person will manage to reconnect to the server before the person he was kicked for can connect, in which case said person is kicked again. Etc. Etc.

I don't know if that's what happened here, but it may be.

Supernorn · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Dec 31 2002, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>supernorn2000, is this the whole story? Maybe you did do something without realizing it, and the admins enforced their rules.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
thats what i was thinking at first, but i swear thats all i did.

Brutus · December 2002

Super, Greedo has a good point. The CoFR server uses reserve slots, so when a reserve slot player joins it kicks the highest pinger.

Supernorn · December 2002

the second time i was kicked was over five to ten minutes from the first time (not including the time it took to reconnect to the server)
so as much as i would of liked this to be an accident of somesort, Greedo's theory is ruled out here.

cracker_jackmac · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Dec 31 2002, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>cracker jackmac, I think what you are trying to do is a good idea, but I think you have not taken into account some things.

Rules for servers are setup so a certain type of player will play on them.

If you want to allow profanity on your server then that is fine, but don't expect other servers to do so, and don't label them as abusive when they kick/ban people for breaking their rules.

I personaly would never play on a server where the rules were not enforced.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I wouldn't label the server as abusive anyhow. It isn't intended to be a server blacklist. Its just an allaince to to have standard rules so players know were to get a certian level of quality.

i didn't mean to come off as a blacklist. but i guess i made it sound that way. oops.

Swears and stuff is all sysop stuff. that isn't about admin rules. this alliance is just to let ppl know that the admins on this server are "good" admins and can play on a fairly good server. Its not about good pings, AM/AMX/CM plugins, or additional rules. But just a basic foundation of rules and admin standards.

Fam · December 2002

Sorry about your bad experience. However, rather than the forums, did you think to contact Theiggsta as the greet message specifies?

Supernorn · December 2002

well i did think about it, but i thought that his views alone may of been biased as he owns the server.
so i thought it may of been better to ask everyone here, if they agreed that i had been treated unfairly.

Brutus · December 2002

Hard to tell how you were treated with only one side of the story, no offense.

Supernorn · December 2002

very good point.
however, i have admitted to spamming voice comm (i get over excited) and it was fair for the admins to take action.
but continuing to take more severe action long after the spamming had ended i find was unfair.
whether you believe my "side" of the story or not, i believe i have taken both sides into account.

greydmiyu · December 2002

Sorry Greypaws, don't buy it. I play on a CS server where the admins enforce the rules they set down. They are sensible rules and simple to follow. Play the game, don't cuss, listen to the admins, don't be a **obscenity**. It is the ONLY CS server outside of my own that I play on because it is the ONLY CS server where the regular and transient players play the game, don't get in public insulting matches, don't whine excessively, aren't abusive. In short, they play the game and play it well. There server is so popular that even at 2am in the freaking morning, pacific, I have to set ASE to 'redial' to get in. It is hardly ever below max players, ever. In fact seeing that server inspired me to set up a CS server patterned after its rules. For the first time in almost 2 <b>years</b> CS was fun.

There's a difference between an admin being a **obscenity** and an admin keeping the peace. Yeah, admins who are just kicking left and right at the slighest provocation are abusing their power. So what. If it really is that bad they'll have noone left to kick, will they?

But I see these servers as an extension of my home. I leave it open for <i>guests</i> to come and play. And as <i>guests</i> I expect a certian level of maturity or I will envoke my right as an owner to remove you from my property. Don't like it, don't come. That simple.

Let me put it this way, if a friend brought over a friend of theirs you've never met for a nightly poker game and in the process of playing the game he spills soda all over your card table and carpet, ruins the cards, gums up your set of $200 chips, scratches his nuts and then sniffs his and and gets in your face when you beat his deuces with a flush a 2 year-old could see coming a mile away... well, would you invite said friend of a friend back into your home? I wouldn't.

As for supernorn2000, we've only got one side of the story. What I can say is this, you went back and cussed out the admin? You were asking to be kicked and banned at that point. An admin has to put up with a lot of crap and when you <b>know</b> that you're grating on their nerves <b>justified or not</b> you back off and give them some breathing room. Period. End of discussion. You only have to deal with yourself. An admin on a popular server has to deal with an average of about 3-5 **obscenity** every half-hour. After a while it takes a pretty strong person to not get jaded to the little snide remarks from people they might not know. Even I tread lightly around the admins on my favorite CS server even though several greet me in voice-comm any time I come onto their team and we raz each other about our game play. It isn't because I'm afraid of being kicked or banned. It's this little known word in the on-line gaming community called resepect. I respect them. I know they put up with tons of crap so I don't have to so when they get a little testy I back off, give them time and just play the game. Let me repeat that. <b>I know they put up with tons of crap <i>so I don't have to.</i></b> Remember that the next time you're having fun.

Fam · December 2002

supernorm: Come hop on IRC, #evolutionarily on Gamesnet, and I will try and see what happened and straighten things out.

Brutus · December 2002

I don't want to offend you, I am just taking how I am into account. When I tell somebody of a disagreement I have I always tend to make my side sound better then it is.

What was your ping on the server? Was it higher then everyone elses? It could have been that you were just kicked by players joining with reserve slot access. I have heard nothing but good about this server, so it may have been an accident or the reserve slot thing.

Zdrone · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i noticed that even though i was not pressing alt, my voice comm was still transmitting...i could do nothing...so i forgot about it until like three seconds later when i was kicked....
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I would have kicked you for this...

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it ended with me saying:

"admins are **obscenity**"</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I would have banned you for this...

I typically don't mess around on my servers. The majority of people that put up servers do so to have fun; some like to play, some like to admin, others like to build the community.
When an admin gets online (or at least me), my job is not to babysit 29 kids (yeah, I have a 30 person server), its to enjoy myself. When Im getting blasted by some idiot playing music over his mic, or just leaving it open, I kick. Its as simple as that. I don't have the time or the patience to go thru every issue with every person.
If the person comes back and asks, I will explain briefly why he was kicked, if he **obscenity** about it being unfair, I will kick him again. Again, my job is not to explain things. I have forums for that.

My favorite thing is seeing people crawl into the forum and start a poll about the admins being jerks. As if the players will rise up and bring down the admins and take over the servers. I own my servers, the circuits they ride on and the boxes that I've configure it all on. If people don't like the servers, Im sure there are 1000 others out there wishing people would join.

I don't mean this as a flame, but more of an explanation of where I come from on my servers. Also, I don't mean to speak for anyone but me. Its how I run things, and being quite a bit older than the majority of people that play, I also have quite a bit of responsibility outside the "gaming world." This limits the amount of time and effort I can put in which in turn, frustrates me more when people are being llamas.

Supernorn · December 2002

mmm. you need an outlet for your agression.

i shouldnt have to "walk lightly" around the Admins, they are there to help, to deal with the cheaters, not to kick and ban anyone that gets on their nerves personally...if the entire server is going "STFU SUPERNORN" and i ignore that, fine i DESERVE to be kicked, however that didnt happen.

Fam · December 2002

Come to #evolutionarily on Gamesnet if you want to discuss this further. Or keep ignoring me. But this thread is getting rather flamey and pointless.

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