Patch 1.04 Could Use Some Weapon Fixing.

Kitsune

<div class="IPBDescription">LMG and pistol are both bugged.</div> Level 3 weapon upgrades are not properly registering on those weapons, resulting in 12 and 25 damage for LMG and pistol shots rather than the 13 and 26 that they should be. Turrets are also doing 30, rather than the 35 they ought to be doing. Probably just typos, so it should be a small matter to set those numbers straight, and poor folks like me who're trying to get an accurate fix on weapon damage for statistic stuff would very much appreciate it. Our sanity's hurting a bit at the moment.

Doombringer

Bump.

This should be looked at, if it is true.

VeTeRaN

Yes it should be looked at, if its true than it must suck when fades are qwning j00 face.

Kitsune

I'm 100% positive about pistol damage, just bring a Kharaa down to 0 armor and shoot them once, and you'll see. I haven't personally tested LMG damage, but have heard from other people testing things out in the game that it's doing 12. I have tested turret damage to get that number, but am not positive that it's a bug. Lots of manual information is incorrect, so for all I know it was reduced on purpose.

Paranoia2MB

My friend and I did some testing as done from above.


We both found out the the Lvl 3 upgrade is bugged.
My friend as Marine and me as Fade:

Lvl 2 weapon upgrade: (I had lvl 3 cara) HP/AP
50/24

Lvl 3 weapon upgrade: (Still lvl 3 cara) HP/AP
50/24


Umm...that isn't right..that's probably a minor or major reason y marines have probs w/ fades. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ( i dont use that as a wink face since it doesn' tlook like one..it's more like an "eh" face)

Shockeh

Unlikely to be root cause however, as most comms do not upgrade to level 3 weapons until VERY late game anyway (too expensive)

I push for Armour 1, weapons 2 usually. Armour 1 just for that 3rd Acid/Skulk bite

Kitsune

I'm ignorant on mod-making for HL, but those strike me as some of the easier bugs to fix, which is why I was surprised to not see them on the change list.

Flayra

Have these always been this way, or is this something new in v1.04?

ViolenceJack

Damn, i allways push marines to get weapons upgraded asap and now its turns out it did bugger all.

Catgirl

Well the stats given for amount-of-shots-to-kill for 1.03 (I forgot who did these, sorry) showed different values for Lvl 2 and Lvl 3 weapon upgrades...so it must be a recent thing.

Kitsune

Those numbers are from 1.03, Flayra. Haven't gottan a 1.04 server to myself yet to play around. The shots-to-kill chart was based partially on the assumption that the game's math was uniform. I confirmed the level 1 LMG damage by shooting an Onos a hundred times, doing 500 health and 198 armor damage, precisely as it should. I did not take the time to confirm every weapon upgrade vs. every carapace upgrade, however, and so I missed the problem with level 3 LMG fire. I did find the problem with level 3 pistol and turret fire, however, when I looked over the results and saw that it was doing less damage than I'd anticipated, I thought that my buddies hadn't upgraded all the way to level 3. So we fired up the server again and went through it all again, and instead of 7/5.46 the pistol was doing around 6/5.25. Then I stripped off all the armor and took a hit to find that 25 pistol damage. Oh, and Flayra, grenades and bile bombs are doing half their listed damage to players on a direct hit. 90 and 40, respectively. I posted all of that in the bug report forum, but must've been missed.

skulkswerenerfed

great, stronger lmgs

do you realize how one marine can kill 3 skulks if he has aim at ANY range?

Paranoia2MB

<!--QuoteBegin--Flayra+Dec 23 2002, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra @ Dec 23 2002, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Have these always been this way, or is this something new in v1.04?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Always man..always been like this.
=o

Greedo

<!--QuoteBegin--skulkswerenerfed+Dec 23 2002, 10:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skulkswerenerfed @ Dec 23 2002, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->great, stronger lmgs

do you realize how one marine can kill 3 skulks if he has aim at ANY range?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you realize they're talking about lvl 3 weapon upgrades?

Sirus

stop being ridiculous skulkswerenerfed. I would suggest you get around your issue about skulks and move on. Theres no need to focus your life around it.

Speed_2_Dave

yeah, I seemed to notice no big difference in damage caused by me against fades in 1.03, but it feels like it used to improve in 1.02 (fades would crumple faster), I believe the numbers way back when someone did the last comprehensive study (this was during the 1.02 phase) the damage did increase. But I am going to check that out now.

[edit]found it..<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=14717' target='_blank'>The Numbers</a> This is Kitsune's research, not too sure how much he's changed it, but he said he has done some testing in the new 1.03 version [/edit]

Kitsune

Those numbers are accurate, but only under the assumption that the weapon upgrades are actually adding that 10% to base damage per upgrade. With the bugged level 3 damage, all bets are off. I said as much on my statistic page about the pistols, that was before I knew about the LMGs and turrets. Now I'm wondering if all weapons don't have that same flaw. *sigh* Back to the testing server... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

Speed_2_Dave

Thanks, Kitsune, I use your website to help me decide whether rushing is worth it or not at certain levels of marine upgraded-ness (hrm, I just made up a word)

Kitsune

I'm glad that it's useful for you. I love NS, and hope that my efforts at playtesting with the other player2player crew will help make an easier time of things for Flayra and the other devs. Seeing a great game get even better is my number one goal.