Xeno change: "Comm, I've come to bargain!"

MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,567 mod
edited August 2018 in Ideas and Suggestions
From the skulk's perspective, the most annoying thing about xeno is that it kills you. This means that you have to spend 20-30 seconds respawning & getting back to the front line.
One way to address this would be to make the initial activation of xeno drop a spawn point. Then, after you xeno, instead of dying you reappear at that spawn point on 1HP & without any energy.
This will keep you out of the fight for a while but save you from needing to make the journey back to the front line. Admittedly it would also increase the how often you could use xeno, but it's a 3rd hive ability and should be powerful.
-/AUS/- PS_Mouse

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  • KasharicKasharic Hull, England Join Date: 2013-03-27 Member: 184473Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, NS2 Community Developer Posts: 683 Advanced user
    There are other ways to fix it.

    You could make it instantly spawn and egg and remove your respawn timer, so you spawn back at base on full health + energy almost immediately after detonation.
    Or you could make it Drain all of your energy instead of killing you, you could also scale the damage it causes based on the amount of energy it consumes

    The most annoying thing for most people that I've seen is that quick switch will swap to Xeno once its been researched, so they end up accidentally killing themselves by accident and having to wait to respawn for no reason other than "you've just gained the strongest ability the skulk gets"... Xeno is supposed to be a game ender, or help to win a round... apparently the best way to win in NS2 is to Kill yourself... Nice.

    Honestly, I hate Xeno, always have, I think it would be better to replace it, i've literally used Stab more often than i've ever used Xeno.
    Meph isn't an NSL admin anymore!

    #blameHefty
  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer Posts: 1,724 Advanced user
    edited August 2018
    Xeno is already very powerful and should be a hive 3 ability.

    But I do agree that it is annoying to wait for respawn and keep running to marine base again.
    Of course alien comms can echo eggs to the front and a tunnel might help too, but the former rarely happens.

    So reducing the spawn timer after dieing from Xeno could help with that without entirely changing this ability.
    Considering that there are still stalemates against hive 3 Aliens, and some Alien teams just can't get it done, this might actually be a nice suggestion to increase the pressure on Marines and make Xeno more fun.


  • MephillesMephilles Germany Join Date: 2013-08-07 Member: 186634Members, NS2 Map Tester Posts: 955 Advanced user
    Kasharic wrote: »
    Or you could make it Drain all of your energy instead of killing you, you could also scale the damage it causes based on the amount of energy it consumes

    This. Rename it to xenobomb then

    return to zero
  • .trixX..trixX. Budapest Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Members Posts: 856 Advanced user
    Kasharic wrote: »
    Or you could make it Drain all of your energy instead of killing you, you could also scale the damage it causes based on the amount of energy it consumes

    Draining energy would be insufficient imo... you have to take some health off the exploding/mass-shedding skulk.
    NO Cyril, when they're dead they're just hookers!
  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 4,752 Advanced user
    Stab is just bad. Advanced metabolism is useful but lame. Stomp is really really good, but annoying for the marines and a bad mechanic. Xeno is kind of good but annoying for you. All of these T3 abilities could use a replacement with something better.
    From my perspective UWE has been trying to both with what little resources they have given to the game. They don't have an AAA budget, let alone an indie game budget. They have the budget of a game that has been out 6 years. I want to say, don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing. I just don't think they have the resources to do it. Unlike many of the people on the forums, I guess I am just happy they are at least trying even though I may not like what they end up doing.
  • MephillesMephilles Germany Join Date: 2013-08-07 Member: 186634Members, NS2 Map Tester Posts: 955 Advanced user
    As lerk player I'd like to have one in the first place :tongue:
    return to zero
    MouseNordic
  • The_Welsh_WizardThe_Welsh_Wizard Join Date: 2013-09-10 Member: 188101Members, Reinforced - Supporter Posts: 771 Advanced user
    It is really time to make spores stronger and put them to Hive 3.
  • .trixX..trixX. Budapest Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Members Posts: 856 Advanced user
    It is really time to make spores stronger and put them to Hive 3.

    Spores are less useful at the end-game... Marines are either holed up in rooms with armoury/pg, or have exos.
    Maybe switch the order, and make umbra the tier3 ability and buff it?
    Mephilles wrote: »
    As lerk player I'd like to have one in the first place :tongue:

    I'd love to see lerk-lift as tier3 ability
    NO Cyril, when they're dead they're just hookers!
  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 4,752 Advanced user
    What if lerk spores filled a 4x larger area? Would that be T3 strong?
    From my perspective UWE has been trying to both with what little resources they have given to the game. They don't have an AAA budget, let alone an indie game budget. They have the budget of a game that has been out 6 years. I want to say, don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing. I just don't think they have the resources to do it. Unlike many of the people on the forums, I guess I am just happy they are at least trying even though I may not like what they end up doing.
  • The_Welsh_WizardThe_Welsh_Wizard Join Date: 2013-09-10 Member: 188101Members, Reinforced - Supporter Posts: 771 Advanced user
    I would rather see a damage increase.
  • twilitebluetwiliteblue bug stalker Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13116Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 1,990 Advanced user
    I think Xeno should destroy the weapon marine is carrying if the marine dies from the explosion. It would help ending the endless weapon recycling.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,567 mod
    I think Xeno should destroy the weapon marine is carrying if the marine dies from the explosion. It would help ending the endless weapon recycling.

    That's one of the annoying parts about trying to break a marine turtle. Even though you're killing the marines over & over, they're still recycling the same weapons. Their only real pres sinks are JPs & Exos.
    -/AUS/- PS_Mouse
    Handschuh
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