You know, butchering official maps and old, disused rooms is one thing, but taking something that is actively being worked on by someone and not asking for permission is not cool. Please look into whose work you're modifying next time.
You know, butchering official maps and old, disused rooms is one thing, but taking something that is actively being worked on by someone and not asking for permission is not cool. Please look into whose work you're modifying next time.
This map came about because i took a load of old ns1 greybox maps off workshop looked through them and picked one to work on. It wasnt until much later that i realised Zavaro was actively working on it. I contacted him when i knew but at that point in time i had done far to much work to abandon it. I am heavily modifying the greybox to a point. Whilst i understand making a greybox does take several hours. It is nothing compared to the amount of work i had put into the map at that point.
I didnt actively go about trying to take anything away from zavaro and had i known he was working on the map i probably would have picked a different map like tanith, i chose this map becuase it fit with other themes i was already familiar with no other reason.
We will end up with two very different versions of altair in the end which can only be a positive for the community as the chance of a version of altair being good increases with the more versions being made. I think zavaro is a good map maker and i look forward to trying his altair once he finishes it.
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You didnt credit Zavaro either. In general your crediting is lacking, which makes you look even worse in this situation. You have a history.
You could also have at least the decency to use a different name for the map, considering that your style isnt even close to what Altair made Altair in NS1.
You know, butchering official maps and old, disused rooms is one thing, but taking something that is actively being worked on by someone and not asking for permission is not cool. Please look into whose work you're modifying next time.
This map came about because i took a load of old ns1 greybox maps off workshop looked through them and picked one to work on. It wasnt until much later that i realised Zavaro was actively working on it. I contacted him when i knew but at that point in time i had done far to much work to abandon it. I am heavily modifying the greybox to a point. Whilst i understand making a greybox does take several hours. It is nothing compared to the amount of work i had put into the map at that point.
I didnt actively go about trying to take anything away from zavaro and had i known he was working on the map i probably would have picked a different map like tanith, i chose this map becuase it fit with other themes i was already familiar with no other reason.
We will end up with two very different versions of altair in the end which can only be a positive for the community as the chance of a version of altair being good increases with the more versions being made. I think zavaro is a good map maker and i look forward to trying his altair once he finishes it.
I understand all that and that's okay. But like psyk said, crediting Zav would have been the polite thing to do.
I'm not trying to attack or accuse you. The ns2 mapping community is small and we all know each other here. I just want to make sure you know what your work looks like from the outside and how you could handle it better.
You know, butchering official maps and old, disused rooms is one thing, but taking something that is actively being worked on by someone and not asking for permission is not cool. Please look into whose work you're modifying next time.
This map came about because i took a load of old ns1 greybox maps off workshop looked through them and picked one to work on. It wasnt until much later that i realised Zavaro was actively working on it. I contacted him when i knew but at that point in time i had done far to much work to abandon it. I am heavily modifying the greybox to a point. Whilst i understand making a greybox does take several hours. It is nothing compared to the amount of work i had put into the map at that point.
I didnt actively go about trying to take anything away from zavaro and had i known he was working on the map i probably would have picked a different map like tanith, i chose this map becuase it fit with other themes i was already familiar with no other reason.
We will end up with two very different versions of altair in the end which can only be a positive for the community as the chance of a version of altair being good increases with the more versions being made. I think zavaro is a good map maker and i look forward to trying his altair once he finishes it.
I understand all that and that's okay. But like psyk said, crediting Zav would have been the polite thing to do.
I'm not trying to attack or accuse you. The ns2 mapping community is small and we all know each other here. I just want to make sure you know what your work looks like from the outside and how you could handle it better.
I agree with what you say, it can be difficult to find out who to credit however since the majority of the community has come and gone. I have always been honest and openb about what i have and havent made and i will credit zavaro once the map does get released in some form. Like you said the community is small and the number of active people working to bring content to ns2 is even smaller. I knew that this issue would come up almost straight away.
At this point i have probably invested more hours into spark editor than anyone else in the community having made 2 maps that are entirely my own work and 6 or 7 maps that whilst not completely original, do contain my own work mixed with other peoples. Those maps taught me a lot and i find it very useful that we can open up the official maps and explore them, chop and change them and work out how certain things were done. It has greatly helped me in my mapping experience and i am grateful to both UWE and the community. Mapping for NS2 is very difficult when compared to most other fps games, there are a lot more things to consider especially because the two sides are asymmetrical and the community is so small getting feedback can be tough and somewhat disheartening. I do it cause i love the ns2 community and the artistic side of level design.
I agree with what you say, it can be difficult to find out who to credit however since the majority of the community has come and gone..
Well, you got it from the workshop. Trying to contact the guy who uploaded it - Zav - would have been the bare minimum.
He doesn't want to make a big deal out of this so we won't. Just keep that in mind in the future.
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@deathshroud oh I dont think your anywhere near me yet in terms of time spent in the editor (FYI mine is never recorded on steam since I run it via the exe and not the launchpad).
@deathshroud oh I dont think your anywhere near me yet in terms of time spent in the editor (FYI mine is never recorded on steam since I run it via the exe and not the launchpad).
Just finished the next section of the map, I tried to mimic a cyberpunk style generator look with this area. Basically cables everywhere. This area was originally the rt room for Consistancy Monitoring, However in ns2 having the rt so far away from the hive just isnt going to work well, especially considering the shape of the room. So the rt will be moved within the tech room.
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I'm going to be honest. Looking at architectual style and choice of textures it reminds me a lot of what I built on mesh. The lighting looks very pale though, which limits you in the textures and props you can use without making them feel out of place
I'm going to be honest. Looking at architectual style and choice of textures it reminds me a lot of what I built on mesh. The lighting looks very pale though, which limits you in the textures and props you can use without making them feel out of place
Just checked out ns2_mesh, dont really see any similarity between the two at all. Sure there are a couple of shared textures but the vast majority of your level uses docking texture set. As far as architectural style they both have an industrial feel in some areas but thats about it.
I think you are right about the lighting, i will improve it as i go.
I dunno man, they are pretty to look at but also quite loud \o/
Yeah lighting in Spark is a bit if a bastard to get right, dynamic lights somehow lack that *umph*compared to multi-bounce baked lighting, mostly a contrast issue caused by how the engine makes the light flow, so to speak...
I'm going to be honest. Looking at architectual style and choice of textures it reminds me a lot of what I built on mesh. The lighting looks very pale though, which limits you in the textures and props you can use without making them feel out of place
I think you're right, but I think you're thinking of the areas of mesh that were under construction before you stopped working on the map, so they were never released.
still dont see it other than some of same textures being used, with so few textures available in ns2 there are bound to be similarities.
Maybe these in editor shots will convince you. I imagine when this map is finished it will be just under 100,000 faces. I plan to make a few custom textures for the map also.
Ok so some new screenshots of what i have done this week and a progress report as well as an overall plan of what i plan to do next and when we can expect the first version of the map to release.
Currently the map is 25% complete. I decided to build up the areas of the map that i felt would work as they are with little modification.
here are a list of steps i plan to take
1. complete 30% of the map
2. redo the navmesh and occlusion
3. modify the remaining skybox so that it vaguely resembles the overall flow of the map.
4. release the first version of the map
5. make any changes based on testing and modify the greybox according to testing
6. complete 50% of the map
7. redo the navmesh and occlusion
8. release the second version of the map
9. complete 75% of the map
10. redo navmesh and occlusion
11. design any custom textures and props based on my vision for the map.
12. release the third version of the map
13. complete the map.
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You know, butchering official maps and old, disused rooms is one thing, but taking something that is actively being worked on by someone and not asking for permission is not cool. Please look into whose work you're modifying next time.
This map came about because i took a load of old ns1 greybox maps off workshop looked through them and picked one to work on. It wasnt until much later that i realised Zavaro was actively working on it. I contacted him when i knew but at that point in time i had done far to much work to abandon it. I am heavily modifying the greybox to a point. Whilst i understand making a greybox does take several hours. It is nothing compared to the amount of work i had put into the map at that point.
I didnt actively go about trying to take anything away from zavaro and had i known he was working on the map i probably would have picked a different map like tanith, i chose this map becuase it fit with other themes i was already familiar with no other reason.
We will end up with two very different versions of altair in the end which can only be a positive for the community as the chance of a version of altair being good increases with the more versions being made. I think zavaro is a good map maker and i look forward to trying his altair once he finishes it.
You could also have at least the decency to use a different name for the map, considering that your style isnt even close to what Altair made Altair in NS1.
Also, it looks really good! Keep up the good work!
I understand all that and that's okay. But like psyk said, crediting Zav would have been the polite thing to do.
I'm not trying to attack or accuse you. The ns2 mapping community is small and we all know each other here. I just want to make sure you know what your work looks like from the outside and how you could handle it better.
I agree with what you say, it can be difficult to find out who to credit however since the majority of the community has come and gone. I have always been honest and openb about what i have and havent made and i will credit zavaro once the map does get released in some form. Like you said the community is small and the number of active people working to bring content to ns2 is even smaller. I knew that this issue would come up almost straight away.
At this point i have probably invested more hours into spark editor than anyone else in the community having made 2 maps that are entirely my own work and 6 or 7 maps that whilst not completely original, do contain my own work mixed with other peoples. Those maps taught me a lot and i find it very useful that we can open up the official maps and explore them, chop and change them and work out how certain things were done. It has greatly helped me in my mapping experience and i am grateful to both UWE and the community. Mapping for NS2 is very difficult when compared to most other fps games, there are a lot more things to consider especially because the two sides are asymmetrical and the community is so small getting feedback can be tough and somewhat disheartening. I do it cause i love the ns2 community and the artistic side of level design.
Well, you got it from the workshop. Trying to contact the guy who uploaded it - Zav - would have been the bare minimum.
He doesn't want to make a big deal out of this so we won't. Just keep that in mind in the future.
maybe not we will never know
Also some more images of areas you have already seen that have had a bit more work done.
so do i
Just checked out ns2_mesh, dont really see any similarity between the two at all. Sure there are a couple of shared textures but the vast majority of your level uses docking texture set. As far as architectural style they both have an industrial feel in some areas but thats about it.
I think you are right about the lighting, i will improve it as i go.
I dunno man, they are pretty to look at but also quite loud \o/
Yeah lighting in Spark is a bit if a bastard to get right, dynamic lights somehow lack that *umph*compared to multi-bounce baked lighting, mostly a contrast issue caused by how the engine makes the light flow, so to speak...
I think you're right, but I think you're thinking of the areas of mesh that were under construction before you stopped working on the map, so they were never released.
those are the areas kash is talking about
this room never got finished but was supposed to replace central
Maybe these in editor shots will convince you. I imagine when this map is finished it will be just under 100,000 faces. I plan to make a few custom textures for the map also.
Currently the map is 25% complete. I decided to build up the areas of the map that i felt would work as they are with little modification.
here are a list of steps i plan to take
1. complete 30% of the map
2. redo the navmesh and occlusion
3. modify the remaining skybox so that it vaguely resembles the overall flow of the map.
4. release the first version of the map
5. make any changes based on testing and modify the greybox according to testing
6. complete 50% of the map
7. redo the navmesh and occlusion
8. release the second version of the map
9. complete 75% of the map
10. redo navmesh and occlusion
11. design any custom textures and props based on my vision for the map.
12. release the third version of the map
13. complete the map.