Improved resflow?

Mephilles

Okay this title might be a bit misleading but I couldn't come up with an appropriate title (if any of the forum mods can feel free to change it)

Basically the idea is to multiply everything res related by 10 (prices and maximum res) and get 1 res every 0.6 seconds. (If this doesn't hurt performance too much)

Gameplay and balance wise it wouldn't change anything from what we have right now, but with that it should be easier to make balance adjustments when it comes to prices for future patches and I think faster res ticks give players (especially commanders) better control over their res.

.trixX.

Mephilles wrote: »

... I think faster res ticks give players (especially commanders) better control over their res.

I don't see how, if everything is just multiplied proportionately x)
Would be weird though, medpacks and cysts costing 10res... even though you'd start with 500 Tres

Vetinari

I think it would probably make juggling the numbers in your head harder.

Mephilles

@Vetinari it is something you would need to get used to at first. But the idea is something along the line this:

Let's say we firgured out that medpacks are too strong for 1 res cost but too weak for 2 res cost. Maybe the ideal cost of it would be 1.4 res. However the commander UI doesn't show any res lower than 1 res. So if the medpack would cost 1.4 res then it would look like the first medpack costs 1 res and the second cost 2 res.

This is where this systems comes in handy. (I have a similar problem with the current pres system where you get 0.125 per tick but you only see 0.1)

@trixX The thing is here that instead of waiting 2 or 3 seconds to drop something you might just wait 1.2 seconds or whatever. Tbh I personally think a faster but lower tick feels better, however if it drops performance too much I'd be fine with a 10 res every 6 seconds tick aswell

BeigeAlert

Totally understand where this idea is coming from. I've had the same thought cross my mind as well.

Unfortunately, this would be MUCH easier said than done. We would need to adjust parameters in several places (eg maximum tres and pres would also need to increase tenfold). If we ever did this, it would be out of necessity, not as a preemptive measure.

Mephilles

@BeigeAlert

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All the changes needed to be done in the balance.lua

The only problem that still occurs is that the commander UI doesn't show more than 200 tres and therefor you can't spend more than 200 tres at the same time, I tried this with a mod before and this was a problem I couldn't solve so far

coolitic

Gosh darn it man, put it in a spoiler!

Kasharic

honestly, as a commander, I would love to see this, it wouldn't actually change the frequency I can do something, but it would allow me to prepare to do it more effectively (I can literally see a res count that is fast enough to keep timing more easily.)

I think the best way to word it would be that it would feel more satisfying to see the res ticking more frequently.

Scatter

Sewlek briefly tried this during testing of the BT mod that would be incorporated into build 250. It was discussed in the 131 page thread but i cant remember why it wasnt included

Mephilles

@Scatter do you mind linking me the passage?

Scatter

Mephilles wrote: »

@Scatter do you mind linking me the passage?

https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/128755/sewleks-beta-test-mod/p1

Link it when you find which of the 151 pages it is discussed in.

Handschuh

Scatter wrote: »

Mephilles wrote: »

@Scatter do you mind linking me the passage?

https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/128755/sewleks-beta-test-mod/p1

Link it when you find which of the 151 pages it is discussed in.

131 pages only... gonna be a blast to read all of it!