Hive 2.0 feature requests
RevanCorana
Join Date: 2015-08-14 Member: 207125Members
Join Date: 2015-08-14 Member: 207125Members
- Commander specific elo
so that extremly low or extremely high elo coms dont unbalance the FPS teams
- Commander matchmaking
add sub-options to PLAY NOW that include commander matchmaking basically checking for games about to start that dont have a com and spawn you directly in the chair/hive.
- Commander tutorial
enough bad coms ruining games teach them the basics, emphasize how people are not AI units and the general tech choices
- Remove possibility to eject coms
enough stupid people getting good coms ejected by yelling loudly for something stupid. if people want a com ejected they will use the kick fonction and also use report fonction (see next point)
- Report fonction for smurfs, troll/stubborn and bad coms, toxic people
simply like in csgo you click on the name of the person you want to report from the scoreboard and that person receive a warning point, once a person received too many they are not able to join RANKED servers.
different infractions could have different values, for example smurf = 3, troll com = 2, toxic = 1 (warning point)
- Change the ranked server whitelisting policy to be much more stricter
things that should be mandatory: autoshuffle at the start of a game, not being able to switch team during the whole round (once it started) and if you arrive in an ongoing game, being forced to go on the team with which you joining it will cause less unbalance.
Now if you implement all this MAYBE just MAYBE we can have balanced games, if you want to go f2p this will help a lot structuring a bigger playerbase but it will help with the current one as well to get more accurate elo values. Because you can use all the faster learning algorithm you want, if the team are stacked the system will learn nothing, faster. that's all
so that extremly low or extremely high elo coms dont unbalance the FPS teams
- Commander matchmaking
add sub-options to PLAY NOW that include commander matchmaking basically checking for games about to start that dont have a com and spawn you directly in the chair/hive.
- Commander tutorial
enough bad coms ruining games teach them the basics, emphasize how people are not AI units and the general tech choices
- Remove possibility to eject coms
enough stupid people getting good coms ejected by yelling loudly for something stupid. if people want a com ejected they will use the kick fonction and also use report fonction (see next point)
- Report fonction for smurfs, troll/stubborn and bad coms, toxic people
simply like in csgo you click on the name of the person you want to report from the scoreboard and that person receive a warning point, once a person received too many they are not able to join RANKED servers.
different infractions could have different values, for example smurf = 3, troll com = 2, toxic = 1 (warning point)
- Change the ranked server whitelisting policy to be much more stricter
things that should be mandatory: autoshuffle at the start of a game, not being able to switch team during the whole round (once it started) and if you arrive in an ongoing game, being forced to go on the team with which you joining it will cause less unbalance.
Now if you implement all this MAYBE just MAYBE we can have balanced games, if you want to go f2p this will help a lot structuring a bigger playerbase but it will help with the current one as well to get more accurate elo values. Because you can use all the faster learning algorithm you want, if the team are stacked the system will learn nothing, faster. that's all
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Kick requires a percentage of all player votes on the server. Vote eject only requires a percentage of the marine team... so no, this feature is legit. If the newbies get on the eject train, and a good com gets voted out... well, he most probably havent communicated with them in the first place
But yea I think these are good points. As @.trixX. points out though, there is a point with the eject vote. It also wouldn't be very nice to kick rookie players because they attempted to command.. If it were up to me, I wouldn't have them ejected either, but that's the lesser of two evils.
No you can't. Don't expect balanced games as long as you have so much skill disparity among players. You need skill segregation to improve balance, it's the only way.
Those would successfully kill the small playerbase that is left instantly.
Hive as is does work. I have written too many long posts showing this that I really do not feel like saying it again.
Hive as is may work, but every single one of us knows it has problems.
As of right now there are only 3 mostly confirmed features for hive 2.0.
1) Adagrad. Adagrad will significantly speed up how fast hive gets accurate. A smurf for example could be given a 3k hive skill in just a handful of games. I have linked it many times, but if you still have not read about adagrad check it out here.
2) Separate skill ratings for marines and aliens.
3) No more rookies with different starting values of either 1000 or 0.
More may be planned, but it is not confirmed. Just don't give yourself unreasonable expectations. Hive 2.0 will be better but do not expect perfection. Unbalanced games will still exist.
Commander elo is extremely tough to do. For one, you never know who is going to comm nor if they will stay comm. For those two reasons alone a commander elo and commander matchmaking are extremly unlikely. I personally am not comfortable with how the game would have to change to allow a commander elo.
I think everybody and their dog wants more tutorials. No brainer. It is also a lot of work, so who knows how soon or if it may even happen.
I don't like the idea of kicking commanders over ejecting. That does not sound reasonable to me.
A report function is iffy also. As the game is now this power is in the hands of server operators. They are the ones responsible for keeping trolls and toxic people in check. You could argue that UWE should take a more active approach to this, and I think you are, but that to me gets iffy. I am not saying it could be done, but I can't think of a good way to implement it. What would happen if a person is flagged? Who would be given the responsibility to handle those flagged players? Are you sure you want UWE to manage these players given all the controversy with moderation on this forums?
I do think there should be a clear and strictly followed white list policy compared to this mess we have now. I also think a proper high level play system would be great. This may work out similarly to what you described if it happens, but I don't think it will be what you imagine. Forced shuffle is extremely unpopular in NS2. I explained this to you before. Seems you stubbornly disagree. Forced shuffle still won't create balanced games. PLEASE, no matter what, do not think that balanced teams will ever be perfect.
As Santaclaws said, very little of this has to do with hive 2.0. I still thought it worth my time to explain why a lot of these requests are unlikely.
I quoted this because I can't agree twice.
A lot of this sounds like stats to be collected and displayed on the hive profile page. I have asked for more stats so many times. It is just not going to happen. It is not even close to being a priority. I really do think most of this would be great though.
I think it would all be great, except one thing. The skill value should always be hidden. The skill value should only be used for balance. People think it is something it is not, and treat it like a bank account number. IT MUST ALWAYS GO UP.
Would it be so difficult to implement?? I mean things like that should be somewhat standard for games because they are extremely helpful and extremely nive to have.
Maybe if we are lucky and the benevolent developers will surprise us. You never know.
Yea its all very important to hive tho indirectly, these are things needed for elo to have a meaningful values because if the teams are stacked in any way shape or form the system will learn "people that stack are good" "people that quit the game early are good" and so on, no matter how much adagrad saucing you put on it, the faster Nordic and PDT understands this the better.