Rookies not showing up in tab
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canada Join Date: 2016-06-11 Member: 218386Members
canada Join Date: 2016-06-11 Member: 218386Members
as the title says. for the past month I've been unable to see rookies in tab. i see the (rookie) when they chat but i can't see rookie or green highlight on the tab menu.
I tried googling and searching this forum for help but didn't find anything relevant. It's annoying not knowing who's a rookie.
I tried googling and searching this forum for help but didn't find anything relevant. It's annoying not knowing who's a rookie.
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Not being able to see who the rookies are makes it difficult to know who needs help. Plus it makes it hard to prevent "rookie stacks" since we can't identify when it's happening until the game is already under way...
It also leads to situations where a rookie comm is raged at, called a troll, and kicked, because people don't realize they're new.
It's just bad all around.
Plus it doesn't really stop elitism to begin with.
It doesn't really stop the shaming of rookies either.. The a**hole elitist rejects that do that just look up profiles to find the rookies... Their rookie hate is strong..
Plus they will hate on even veterans who aren't on their level... You can't run into a room as a a1/w1 marine and kill 5 skulks alone? Well they can so you're a noob...
On the other hand looking through everyone's profile before a game to try to keep the greens from all stacking the same team is a huge pain..
In essence, there are good rookies and there are bad rookies.
Nobody is trying to completely stop people from being asshats, it's impossible without a ridiculous level of censorship. But creating a system that makes it convenient to shame somebody is something we should avoid. It's like sticking a yellow star on somebody - you're practically inviting the trolls to dinner.
There is a distribution of skill in this game, as in any aspect of life, and it is worth facing up to that fact instead of giving everyone trophies for participation, which only dumbs things down and doesn't help anyone (aside from making people feel good about themselves for no reason).
Technically, a well positioned 1/1 marine should be able to take out 5 skulks with support of 1 or 2 medpacks, at least in the early game. If you can't it doesn't mean you're a noob. But if you can, it means you are decent.
This guys clearly knows what he's talking about
Plus we can't see when a team is "rookie-stacked"
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So we know they need some hints about what to do
It's a video game. The entire point of playing it is to feel good about yourself for no reason. I don't understand this need to put newer players down.
"Until you have a few hundred hours of experience in this game, you are definitely rubbish."
"we need to know who are the rookies on the team, so that we can expect them to do retarded stuff,"
"This guys clearly knows what he's talking about"
Being a noob has always been, and always will be an insult as long as the internet exists. It shouldn't be, but it is, and while branding newer players as new is a well-intentioned idea it ends up bringing more harm to a playerbase that you are already struggling to retain.
Edit: Skip to 3:13.
This video is taking the same idea and applying it to XP systems, but the benefits of positive framing vs negative framing (rewarding vs punishing) echo into every aspect of game design. Again, this has nothing to do with being 'politically correct' but taking a mechanic that is inherently negative "You are a noob" and reframing it to be positive "these guys aren't noobs". Instead of singling out the new guy with neon-green text, you make the average players look better with a neat badge. Now the noobies have something to work towards and they aren't getting shit for being the new guy.
T-t-t-triple edit: In other words change the situation from "Why am I green?" "Because you're a noob" to something more like "Where did you guys get that badge?" "Level 6"
Now being called a noob is some kind of mega insult? Stop taking yourself so seriously.
Enough with the discredited social engineering and the politically correct nonsense. Keep it on twitter. Keep it out of games.
Or keep up the internet tough guy front. It's all the same to me.
Edit: Noob is not a 'mega insult' as you put it. Perhaps my yellow star reference made me seem too invested in the issue, I don't think new players are a persecuted religious minority. A dunce hat example is probably more apt. Do they even use dunce caps anymore? Is anybody going to get that reference? God I'm old ...
They could've worded it nicer but honestly they are right.
NS2 is an extremely complex game with many hidden mechanics and it takes a long time to really learn everything. New players regularly do stupid messed up things that screw the entire team over, because they don't know the game yet.
I honestly think having the green names helped a lot more than it caused problems, but if they really need to be removed then at the very least we need a system in place to prevent the dreaded green stacks. I don't know if you're working on hive 2.0 still, but if it includes automatically dividing rookies evenly between teams that will be a massive step forward.
After all I can see few things driving new players away faster than having them experience a game of rookies vs veterans...
Well you will have to mark them *somehow*, which will lead to the very same problems you are trying to avoid.
Also don't forget that there are legitimate reasons why you would want to know who the rookies are on the server, and in my experience, those outweigh the drawbacks.
Also, I would like to point out that if a player plays like shit, people are going to point it out/complain either way. If he's marked as a rookie, though, they will usually be more constructive or don't say anything at all, because they knew what to expect.
There will always be new players and therefore there will always be noobs. Similarly in life, there will always be people who are bad at something and who can then improve with guidance. Only a tiny number of people are born with genius at science, art, sports or music.
And it is a fact that people are rubbish at this game even after 100s of hours. Stating that is not being "not nice" but pointing out facts. The sky is generally blue. Pointing that out doesn't mean you are against the color red. Shocking that we have to explain basics of human communication, but I guess this is the over-sensitive, insta-outraged, perma-offended clown age we live in.
Trophies for participation makes people feel good for no reason. But doesn't contribute anything to society.
I think most people actually prefer to be marked as new when they are actually new.
Being marked as a rookie helps the more experienced players to divide them up equally on the teams, to give appropriate guidance, and to expect bad play. It may be a video game but it is a team-based competitive game, and as with any physical sport, if you see people on your team doing stupid things, it is to be expected that there will be annoyance. Unless everyone knows that person is new.
Someone playing football for the first time will not be shouted at for missing a pass if it is known he is new, but if he pretends to have been playing for 5 years, he will get an earful. Same thing here.
Very silly to see someone from the political correct thought police now infiltrating the game space, and most surprising that it is this almost-dead game that has been selected. If you want trophies for participation, stick to SubNautica, Minecraft, etc. where your misguided nonsense can do no harm.