Thoughts- is the characters total reliance on the fabricator impeding their ability to survive?

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  • starkaosstarkaos Join Date: 2016-03-31 Member: 215139Members
    zetachron wrote: »
    @starkaos You're mixing nanoscale density with overall complexity. A million parts assembled to a structure of big size has the same complexity than a million parts scaled down to nanosize. It's more sophisticated to have all parts densed down to nanosize, but not less complex in structure.

    So yes, the human has trillions operational parts inside his body. Billions defining his major state. And a sub of our time would only have millions of product parts (including cpus), thus probably billions on average alltogether. And taking much more space, less sophisticated in design.

    Scale of complexity difference about 1:1000 and density difference even more. But that's still very close comparing it with other tech products. And that was our time tech. 20 years ago it might have been 1:10000, 40 years ago 1:100000, so maybe in 60 years we get 1:1. It's science fiction and it's allowed to assume better tech on a plausible level. We live in a time closing to biocomplexity in decades. Not even counting our quantum victories, surpassing even bioscale level.

    And that's the reason why replicators would be able to create life. Too sophisticated for our time that already approaches biocomplexity without reaching it at this time. We won't have replicators anytime soon and probably reach biocomplexity far before being able to replicate on molecular level like a 3d printer.

    By the way, Star Trek teleporters can be simply explained by accepting their replication tech. And count in the holodeck too. It's just a big sophisticated 3d printing tech based on energetic projection on nanolevel scale. Print a cup of tea, a human or a the hms bounty, for the 3d nanoprojector it's just all data. Not this one, you know what I mean.

    Nanoscale density plays a major part in overall complexity. The nanoscale level has its own unique laws that are not present in the macroscopic level. Try to build a 6000' human and even if they are identical to a 6' human in scale, they still would not exist. They might have the same level of complexity as far as the overall shape is concerned, but the biological interactions between each cell is non-existent. Biocomplexity deals with more than just the sum of the parts, it is the interaction between each part.

    Replicators have never been shown to be able to create life. Creating a cup of hot Earl Grey Tea is easy, but not the plants used to create Earl Grey Tea. Certain alien races are known to create life with their version of the replicators, but it is not known why the Federation is unable to do it. Chances are that the memory allocated to storing a person's pattern is insufficient to store it permanently. So if you want to teleport a bunch of people, then the pattern has to be wiped after each use. Of course, personal teleporters are possible, but the costs involved to operate a teleporter would mean only the richest people in Star Trek have their own personal teleporter. The Federation supposedly is a cashless society so it is a waste of resources to build a teleporter for one person to store their pattern indefinitely.
  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    starkaos wrote: »
    Nanoscale density plays a major part in overall complexity. The nanoscale level has its own unique laws that are not present in the macroscopic level. Try to build a 6000' human and even if they are identical to a 6' human in scale, they still would not exist. They might have the same level of complexity as far as the overall shape is concerned, but the biological interactions between each cell is non-existent. Biocomplexity deals with more than just the sum of the parts, it is the interaction between each part.

    Replicators have never been shown to be able to create life. Creating a cup of hot Earl Grey Tea is easy, but not the plants used to create Earl Grey Tea. Certain alien races are known to create life with their version of the replicators, but it is not known why the Federation is unable to do it. Chances are that the memory allocated to storing a person's pattern is insufficient to store it permanently. So if you want to teleport a bunch of people, then the pattern has to be wiped after each use. Of course, personal teleporters are possible, but the costs involved to operate a teleporter would mean only the richest people in Star Trek have their own personal teleporter. The Federation supposedly is a cashless society so it is a waste of resources to build a teleporter for one person to store their pattern indefinitely.

    That's too religious for me or too much excuses for the exclusiveness of life creation to realms of non-tech. But it's okay for everyone to believe in his own visions and viewpoints. I think a bit different. Let's just enjoy the game and forget talking about those almost godlike replicators.
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