Non-ending, Stupid Ban Requests.
HtNickoli
Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9786Members
Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9786Members
I really wish these disgruntled players would stop wasteing everyones time with these non ending silly ban requests. If you have a problem on somebodys server, Email the server admin(s) or post something on the server/clan forum if ones provided. It has nothing todo with the rest of us. Or with running a NS server. And it seems that that is what over 1/2 the posts in this forum are about.
The idea of a server-wide ban list has been talked to death in every game/mod forum. Its never going to happen. I personally wouldent bother with it for serveral reasons. One being that I'm not going to have a banlist file size in megs on my server to ban ppl who have never, and probably will never join my server. Thats what I have admins for. Is to deal with the idiots that do join my server. And I'm also not going to just randomly add bans to my server on some unknown persons say so. Regardless of what "proof" they supply. If it happens on my server fine. But I have enuff to deal with on my own server, without dealling with what happens on everyone elses.
So please take it off these forums. I visit these forums to check for post by other admins, dealing with running a NS server. Or to see if certain plugins or scripts other admins are working on have been updated. Not to sort through endless post by disgruntled players seeking a place to rant and whine. At the very least, keep it limmited to one thread.
The idea of a server-wide ban list has been talked to death in every game/mod forum. Its never going to happen. I personally wouldent bother with it for serveral reasons. One being that I'm not going to have a banlist file size in megs on my server to ban ppl who have never, and probably will never join my server. Thats what I have admins for. Is to deal with the idiots that do join my server. And I'm also not going to just randomly add bans to my server on some unknown persons say so. Regardless of what "proof" they supply. If it happens on my server fine. But I have enuff to deal with on my own server, without dealling with what happens on everyone elses.
So please take it off these forums. I visit these forums to check for post by other admins, dealing with running a NS server. Or to see if certain plugins or scripts other admins are working on have been updated. Not to sort through endless post by disgruntled players seeking a place to rant and whine. At the very least, keep it limmited to one thread.
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Perphaps you should read what the topic of this forum actually says.
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What does a complaint by a player saying; "someone was being an idiot on one of the thousands of NS servers, And I think they should be banned from that server or all servers." have todo with any aspect of RUNNING a NS server?
Now maybe if it was a post discribing a new exploit. Or some other relavent topic that has some bearing on running a server. I would be interested. Even the odd post can be ignored. But when it starts tobe that the majority of posts are ban requests. It defeats the purpose of havening a forum that server ops can disscus running a NS server on.
And if you routinly add bans of exploiters and idiots from other servers, HEH they'res alotta of them in the hl world. you might want to consider useing the "-zone [size in bytes]" command on your hlsrv start line. (if you don't already) The zone command sets the memory size of the config zones in HL.
Since this is stored in the RAM memory, and I belv. the default size is only a meg or so, I think.(shared between all your scripts and banlists) You might want to enlarge it. Otherwise when your banlist exceeds the memory space alotted to it, your server will crash, and your banlist will be del. Its also quite usefull if you run large AdminMod/ClanMod etc scripts, as they share the same memory zone as your banlists. And a meg truly isnt that much space.
So far I've banned three people because of this forum. Pee Pee Boy, the 'bad' Hardee and Sexy Penguin. That's it. How many people have been listed here with "ban this person now!" A half dozen, a dozen? I can list reasons for the three that I banned which amounts to more than just some random joe posting a text log.
Pee Pee Boy: Multiple accounts of his abuses listed here in screenshot, cons logs and player accounts. Furthermore after banning him on my server I saw him do his work on two others.
Hardee: Multiple accounts of his abuses listed here in screenshot, cons logs and player accounts. I've seen him on other servers but not for long.
Sexy Penguin: Mellonpopr was a reporting admin on Pee Pee or Hardee, don't remember. Since he didn't fake those I doubt he'd fake this one, esp. the extensiveness of the conslog.
That's it. In fact in some cases (remiX) I was expressing doubt and left it at "If this person shows up, just watch them."
You're operating under the false presumption that we here are drones and any time we see "ban" and a wonid in the same message we're going to instantly run out and ban that ID. Sorry, you're wrong. While there may be some overzealous admins who will ban at the slightest provocation based on information here I would wager that those are the very same admins who kick people for killing them one too often, reset maps when they might lose and so on. IE, the bad admins on whose servers we're not going to play anyway.
Like it or not individuals who are distruptive on one server can and will hop to other servers and be distruptive there. That is an issue that server ops have to deal with and is most assuredly a topic of coversation here. So can we please can the whole "witchunt" diatribe that comes up in every thread where an admin reports an abusive id? Don't like it, don't read it. Just don't presume to know the minds of the admins or presume that we're banning willy-nilly without thought, care or deliberation.
But all the same, it wasn't my intention to start an arguement over the point of players posting ban requests in a server op disscussion forum. So peace.
and i'd like to say if your not up to hosting..
dont do it. yes. all these disgruntled players are relevant.
maybe not in this section. but yes, they do exist. and
just because someone is frustrated, doesnt mean it has to
transcend to all other players.
when your not there, and your descent players are being raped by
cheater/anoying people, though it might not affect you directly,
your server action will decline, and soon you'll be wasting money/bandwidth.
did you say a ban.cfg taking up more than a meg?? holy crap call the partition police.
if your not savvy, were up to the gigabytes now. and a meg is hardly worth the sweat.
cheaters/banned players need to learn lessons. not traipse about through unbeknownst servers
doing their dastardly deeds. for you to say you want no part in the reconsitution of gamer morality
then please stand aside. there are people working here.
NOW, please dont get me wrong. i have been admin and had been inondated with
requests to ban/watch certain players. of course this sucks.
but gee, isnt that part of administration?
IMO, bring on the server wide ban list. i know my heine aint on it.
if any sarcasm was detected. it was more than likely intended.
this post is in reference to the orignal post, and its author.
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in server request are a pain in the **obscenity**. but most people are idiots
and dont know what email is.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
You sir, are the new Christ.
Thank you for enlightening me that there are intelligent people on these forums.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>So far I am counting on the fingers of one hand. </span>
That is never a solution.
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It is always a solution. It's just not the best one. I think I've already made my thoughts clear on this issue in <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=13196' target='_blank'>this thread</a>.
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It is always a solution. It's just not the best one. I think I've already made my thoughts clear on this issue in <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=13196' target='_blank'>this thread</a>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No its not.
Ignore my post if you can really ignore everything.
There's no need for some sort of enforced global banlist though, it's too exploitable. But the best thing to do is find other admins you happen to trust and share info.
Thats all this thread was stateing, But it seems some would rather ignore what the posts say, and turn it into some argument about the validity of shareing bans?
However, many people don't do this.
Here is why I have not banned anyone mentioned in this forum yet: Someone goes around and abuses servers, they get banned, the admins get ticked and so post it here. However, let us say that player realizes he's being banned from a lot of servers, and eventually will have no server left to play on. So he decides to change his act, only to find out he's already banned on all the servers.
Yes, I know it's his fault for being stupid in the first place, and he probably decided too late that it was time to change. But the fact is that he did decide, and he's better for it. I'm not talking about proven cheaters, or server crashers. I mean little offences that get posted here, such as exploiting the ready room bug.
Does something like that actually warrent a perma ban on all servers? I must say, I have accidentally triggered the ready room bug myself. Would it be right if I was banned because this was an accident? I must note that, I've not perma banned anyone on my server period. If they are **obscenity**, I kick them. They rarely come back.
I know that is just my way, and it doesn't work for everyone. I'm not telling you how to run your server. All I'm saying is, I agree that ban requests/demands should not be posted in this forum. If they are allowed to, then players should be allowed to post threads requesting that they be unbanned from xxx server. It's only fair, right?
Just because it is posted doesn't mean action was taken. However without the postings no action can be taken on those that action should be taken against.
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I did read it, re-read it, and I agree. I also apologize for not reading it the first time, else I might have made my post just a tad shorter.
I wasn't trying to bash anyone here who does ban based on the reports in this forum, by the way. I have no intention to insult or offend anyone of my fellow server ops.