About what molec said

LazysamLazysam Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 101Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Please your gettin a little ridiculous</div>I think that your last guide line is quite ridiculous, this community has been started in order to help further develop and show general support for the making of ns, now the board should serve as a medium of free expression and if we as a community find ourselves face to face with a situation where a guideline such as the above is made it should be a very clear wringing light that the community as a whole has failed, and the general degeneration of the positive environment of these forums is intact underway and it is time for reassessment of the purpose of its existence,

On a lighter note all this could be amended by simply removing the posts counts, because if it is of any significant importance to anybody involved, maybe that person should be simply removed?
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  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    The thing is is that when anyone starts posting <b><i><u>nothing but</u></i></b> posts saying "Well yeah, but look at your post count, you -must- be spamming" or "And the award for the most useless post of the day goes to...", that is <b><i><u>not</u></i></b> helping to "further develop and show general support for the making of ns".

    Besides, it's not the job of anyone but the moderators to decide what is 'pointless' and what is not.
  • realityisdeadrealityisdead Employed by Raven Software after making ns_nothing Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I'm with Molec on this one. I can think of plenty of instances where a post consiting of simply a smile would be justifiable and definately add to the conversation. For instance, if someone was offended by another, and the offender apologized... a nice smile back would show that all is well, and no long gushy post is needed.

    And the people who most obviously <i>are</i> concerned about post counts are the ones making comments about "so-and-so only posting this to raise his post count"... or those who want them removed.

    I, personally, don't want to see the post counts go... Not something I obsess about or anything, but it did kind of cheer me up a bit today, after seeing my name thingy going from "Dark Minion" to "Dark Queen" <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

    And trust me, the vast majority of those 600 posts have been... "insightful"... The rest go to bickering.



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  • TraneTrane Join Date: 2002-02-01 Member: 148Members
    just like to add my 2 cents, i think if we ignore the people who talk about post counts, and just stop talking about it the issue will go away.  Post counts are quite pointless anyways, though the ranks are cool.  Maybe we could just keep ranks?  That might work slightly better, but there really isnt a problem to begin with.
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    lots of forums have postcounts, never saw anything negative about them, only this community seems to have problems with it, as long as posts aren't offensive and stay reletavely on topic, all is well for me...
  • MartMart Origin of SUYF Join Date: 2002-02-26 Member: 248Members
    No, i've seen other communities where the forums have degenerated into post count competitions, the original point of hte board is forgotten and it ends up just being another place for people to talk about random junk... like the off-topic forum... but bigger.

    I don't have an issue with post coutns, I just don't like posts that don't contribute anything new to the conversation.
  • BananBanan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 235Members
    Oh my god!

    I just say we remove the post count thing, have anyone been to valve-erc?
    There they have a nice way of showing post counts, you move you're cursor over to the posters name and the post count pops down,
    I mean when the moderators have to make special posts stating that we should not discuss this it has simply gone too far.

    We gotta do something about this, and why do we have the post count at all? All it creates is trouble and anger, but we are still keeping it, why?

    Now I am asking the moderators, please remove the post count, it just ruins the spirit of the forum boards,
    and many newbies to the board might think that people with high post counts are alot smarter and "more worth" then the people with a low post count, (kinda feel myself guilty at that one when I was a newbie on this board some time ago  <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> )
    but now I see that people spamm posts all the time, they might be long and STILL meaningless (maybe like this one I don't know)
    but come on guys, we have all seen that this has went waaaay out of hand
  • humbabahumbaba That Exciting Tales From the Frontline Guy Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 86Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Look, heres the thing. Regardless of whether or not someone has 1000 posts or 20, this says nothing about that person. In addition, when all is said and done, it is JUST a forum. I mean, there are other things in life. If you ask me, dotn worry about post counts yourself. If you have something useful to say, say it. And just ignore those people who whine about so an so posting useless posts. Theres no reason to care.  its just a number.

    * I said "when all is said and done" twice, silly me. *
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I agree with humbaba.
    If someone starts whining about how someone else posted three times in a row, I'd suggest to lock <b>boths</b> account for a few days. This should eliminate the source as well as the reactions in no time.

    As for post counts - keep them or kill them , I don't care.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    i know forums with both post counts and without. i figure that if you guys can take away the actual number count but leave the titles, that would be pretty good. if thats not possible i say u just leave it and forget it, its probably less than one post a day that complains out of the tens of posts that are actually made here.
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    I like the idea of post counts, as it lends history and credibility to the community.  How about we just have a policy where we delete messages relating to post counts, no matter what forum?  Is that too mean-spirited?
  • HydroHydro Join Date: 2002-02-27 Member: 251Members
    i dont think its gonna matter if u take out post counts or leave them in.

    every forum has people that do useless posts so by taking the post count off wouldnt really help the situation
  • Raven1Raven1 Join Date: 2002-04-02 Member: 374Members
    what is a post count?
  • RhoadsToNowhereRhoadsToNowhere i r 8 Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 33Members
    My feelings on this -- custom titles rock.  I'd be a little upset to have to lose those.  Public post counts are good too, but maybe have them only visible from the member's profile?  That way, anyone who wants to think they're "l33t" because they have more posts than someone else will have to do a little research, and they may not find it worth the trouble.  I haven't personally been involved in any boards where people were posting simply to have a higher post count than someone else, but I have heard it happen (specifically, the SI boards long before I started posting there), and the solution provided there was to remove public post counts entirely.  I hope it doesn't come to that.

    BTW, Raven, the post count is simply the number of posts that you have made on this board.  Some people think that having more posts automatically makes them cool or justifies them to act snotty towards other people ("What do you know, you n00b?  You only have 50 posts!").  I think they're just full of themselves.
  • TowersTowers Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 100Members
    I honestly don't understand why people are so worried about how many posts they have done... I have been here since the old board and I could care less if someone calls me noob because I know I have been here a while and what I have posted has been helpful.
    In fact I don't even know how many posts I have done.
  • HydroHydro Join Date: 2002-02-27 Member: 251Members
    True i have been in for a while too but i dont post much that doesnt mean i dont know anything about this mod. Just because someone post count is low doesn't mean at all that they are new to the community and i have been treated badly since i started posting i guess its just because im new and all........ <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo-->
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    treated badly?
    when was that, As far as I remember, yes me was on the old boards aswell, noone has ever been treated badly....
  • HydroHydro Join Date: 2002-02-27 Member: 251Members
    in a way i suggested a MINI GUN and they all JUMPED On me saying its a stupid idea and how i shouldnt demand anything and etc... when all i was doing was giving my opinion
  • TowersTowers Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 100Members
    A LOT of boards I know are hard on noobs... I dont' understand it myself.. I always try and help anyone out.
  • GreedoGreedo Bounty Hunter Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 37Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I've never really cared so much about the post counts as I did about the special titles.  Being a Dark Queen is great and definitely lends a sense of cohesiveness to the community.  As far as, say, a person's experience with the mod, the best bet is to look at the date they joined, though this isn't always a good indicator (though certainly more reliable than post counts).

    I guess my position is to keep the post counts.  Hide them if you must, but don't remove them.  And the stars and titles definitely need to stay visible, no matter what. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    I just thought of something, which is why I'm going to pop in here again and point something out...

    I said "Anyone complaining in a <b>public thread</b>".

    Note this does not exclude the following:

    PMs.
    Emails.
    The "Report Post to Moderator" link.

    If you truly feel that someone is posting useless spam, why not give one of those a try and send a message to us moderators about it? I'd prefer the "Report Post" option, as that is what it is there for.
  • shovenshoven Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 29Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    A big issue with post counts is that people tend to think that the more posts they have, the higher their chance is of getting a beta copy of NS.
    Titles are fun. If all you can do is complain, stop coming to the forums :\ No harm meant, but I get really tired of people having a lack of respect for others that choose not to base their reputation on the content of their posts.
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    (Just to run off-topic really quickly)

    Hydro, apologies for the Minigun thing, but there's something that you, and others may not have realized (and you've inspired me to add a question to one of the FAQs to address it).

    Most of the people on this forum don't like CS, or at least bash it. And they don't like mods that try to copy CS. CS is a weapons mod. They have a TON of weapons, many of which only have small differences. They've got three sniper rifles, four automatic rifles, I can't even -remember- how many submachine guns, and about seven pistols. NS, at least for the marines, has one automatic rifle, one submachine gun, one pistol, one rocket launcher (the mini-nuke) and -maybe- one kind of grenade and... and this is very very iffy.. -MAYBE- a flamethrower.

    That's it. One of each kind of weapon. NS is not a weapons mod. It's a teamplay/strategy mod.

    (Back to the original topic)

    Shoven, you may have a point, and I'm going to add (yet another) question to the FAQ about this.

    Post counts do -not- mean an increased chance of getting into the beta. Never have, never will. Look at me, I'm a 2300+ person, and I'm not in the beta. I just know a -ton- about the mod. But what I know is -only- what has been revealed on these forums, and occasionally RR.org. There's still a lot I don't know about.
  • Raven1Raven1 Join Date: 2002-04-02 Member: 374Members
    i jsut have to add here about cs because i play it more than i sleep.  Every weapon is different in teh way they fire and the dmg they do:P sorry, i know you prolly dont like me now, but i love my CS:P  u r right tho, it is a weapons MOD not a strat MOD, someone with no skill and an awp can clear a map pretty easily
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    Oh yeah, the three different sniper rifles have different clip sizes, and firing rates, and all the other weapons are all different in some small way. But their fundamental usage (sniper rifle, machine gun, pistol) never changes. It's three sniper rifles. Sure, they all act differently, but they all end up doing the same thing at the end: Shooting stuff that's far away. Or for some of those AWPers... it's shooting stuff for a one hit kill.

    I play CS so much I can get higher kill counts than the six clan members (of the same clan) on my team do on their own server. And I can go against those same six clanners on the T team with only two other teammates that get fragged SO fast, and yet I always manage to plant the bomb... something the T's can't seem to do otherwise. Yeah, I play CS too. So no, I don't hate you. But I really do hate CS. It's boring. And most of the people who play it are lame (take those six clanners.. they refused to balance the teams... and they also refused to kick the two AFKers off of the server that were on the T team.).
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    once or twice i have posted some very pointless posts but more often then not i try and post within context. but on the other side of the coin i also think that some out of context blah is ok, as long as it just goes for one or two posts. the random blah i think adds to the laid back atmosphere of these forums, which makes noobs feel that they won't get cut down by us if they ask an obvious question or sumthing like that. so it's a good thing but it can also be a bad thing if it happens to often.

    thats my two cents
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    And there's no problem with anything you said.
    <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • shovenshoven Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 29Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I left somethin out of my last post, and probably more because this issue comes up a lot in irc and whatnot...
    A lot of people will post and complain about others posting things that are non-contributing to the community. But the people who do nothing but complain aren't contributing anything either.
    Oooh, I'm a Foul Beast <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> Didn't even notice.
  • Silver_FoxSilver_Fox Spammer Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 34Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Post count to me means absolutly nothing ...

    Its mearly a status statement.

    "Look at my post count ... omg, I em kewl bekase I have 1 bagillion million postsesest!"

    Give me a break.  I've been here since the old forums (and had my post count transfered (Thanks who ever did it(not that I care about it, but the gesture was nice))) and I still have less posts then people who have been here like .. a week.

    It means nothing.  I only post when I feel the need to express my opinion on a subject (such as this) or when I simply have nothing better to do.

    I personly, wouldnt miss post counts, but I dont want to get eveyone else into a little hissy fit over it.  If it makes them happy because they have 1337 posts, then let em be happy I guess ...
  • shovenshoven Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 29Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Wow silver made a pun! GJ silver!
    The only thing that -really- bugs me is when people post just to repeat what three other people have said. One, even. I suppose it could be that they simply didn't read the replies, but... why <i>wouldn't</i> you read them?
  • MartMart Origin of SUYF Join Date: 2002-02-26 Member: 248Members
    You wouldn't read them if you were in a rush to get your opinion across. Of course, that's why I rarely make any posts, people always say what I was going to before I can get there.
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