If the purpose of the command was to spot cloaked skulks and other things, who would actually use it in combat. You don't need 200 fps to walk around a map.
Thought that would have been pretty obvious from the outset. so yes, this is a cheat.
Can't say if anything will happen with it though; the similar one for nav_debug hasn't been touched.
It would make it much harder for the average Joe to spot a nav mesh issue in maps and report it, if the feature was locked away behind the cheats command. I was able to nail the Mineshaft issue down in the very first match right after patch release thanks to nav_debug being available on every server.
wow you guys weren't kidding about the fps drop... I tried it and went from just under 200fps to 15 lol.
So it's the gamma settings or that skin or whatever, in my opinion it is still basically the exact same thing as using a hack... When it's set so you can spot a 100% invisible (not moving with lvl 3 veil) skulk from so far away SO easily, it's cheating.
Example: I remember one game on summit where Aliens had already lost (pushed back to hive, not even 1 RT) yet we still had our 3 veils so I went phantom skulk and moved up to a random spot waaaaaaaaaaay out in crevice and sat to wait for the last few concede votes to roll in. Low and behold the top marine player walks into crevice and miraculously is able to easily spot and kill me... His response when I said wtf... "I saw the shimmer"
Yeah BS, lvl 3 cloaked aliens should be 100% invisible no matter what skin or graphical settings you have chosen.
wow you guys weren't kidding about the fps drop... I tried it and went from just under 200fps to 15 lol.
So it's the gamma settings or that skin or whatever, in my opinion it is still basically the exact same thing as using a hack... When it's set so you can spot a 100% invisible (not moving with lvl 3 veil) skulk from so far away SO easily, it's cheating.
Example: I remember one game on summit where Aliens had already lost (pushed back to hive, not even 1 RT) yet we still had our 3 veils so I went phantom skulk and moved up to a random spot waaaaaaaaaaay out in crevice and sat to wait for the last few concede votes to roll in. Low and behold the top marine player walks into crevice and miraculously is able to easily spot and kill me... His response when I said wtf... "I saw the shimmer"
Yeah BS, lvl 3 cloaked aliens should be 100% invisible no matter what skin or graphical settings you have chosen.
If you move your mouse, your model will also move. The effects are especially obvious when you are stuck to rocks or uneven jutting surfaces because the model will tend to spasm more and attach/detach causing movement. I would also not rule out a veil dying and you not noticing.
unmoving skulks at lvl 3 cloak are already 100% invisible.
If you move your mouse, your model will also move. The effects are especially obvious when you are stuck to rocks or uneven jutting surfaces because the model will tend to spasm more and attach/detach causing movement. I would also not rule out a veil dying and you not noticing.
unmoving skulks at lvl 3 cloak are already 100% invisible.
Wasn't even touching my mouse, and I looked after dying to see all 3 veils still up.
There are players who can easily spot lvl 3 cloaked aliens even when they are not moving at all...
If you move your mouse, your model will also move. The effects are especially obvious when you are stuck to rocks or uneven jutting surfaces because the model will tend to spasm more and attach/detach causing movement. I would also not rule out a veil dying and you not noticing.
unmoving skulks at lvl 3 cloak are already 100% invisible.
Wasn't even touching my mouse, and I looked after dying to see all 3 veils still up.
There are players who can easily spot lvl 3 cloaked aliens even when they are not moving at all...
Level 3 is not 100% cloak though. It still gives a subtle light distortion effect. When playing at high fps with a decent monitor I find moving my viewpoint as a marine is enough to spot an alien. You see lines/textures being slightly distorted in one area in a skulk shape.
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Cloak yourself 100% with three veils, can you still see your outline shimmering on the screen or have you completely disappeared?
If you can still see your outline distorted, you should be able to see others, you just need to be aware of what you are looking for, If you can't see your outline when fully cloaked, try adjusting your monitor settings.
False.
They are still very much visible to the observant eye, with a shimmering outline that is incredibly easy to spot against light sources.
Definitely not 100%
Not the best example of how easy it can be (brighter backgrounds help), but it gets the idea across. In full motion it's even easier to spot:
Zefram skulk is only visible when he chooses to be. During combat he ascends to a god-level skulk invincible to mortal man. Think of him as the Chuck Norris skulk.
Disclaimer: Zefram Onos, on the other hand, flashes faster than golden's lerk.
Cloak yourself 100% with three veils, can you still see your outline shimmering on the screen or have you completely disappeared?
If you can still see your outline distorted, you should be able to see others, you just need to be aware of what you are looking for, If you can't see your outline when fully cloaked, try adjusting your monitor settings.
I guess i misread what you wrote there ^
Sounded like you were saying cloaking yourself 100% was a) possible b) able to be determined by looking at your first person view, when it is is active.
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edited April 2014
@IronHorse - What do you mean your 1st person view model completely disappears?
It does not, it has exactly the same amount of distortion as the world model. I thought you were a playtester :P Here is a short video showing a distorted gorge view model, you can clearly see the same distortion effect around the top and bottom of the screen.
This distortion effect is what you should be looking out for in-game, and I stand by my answer as posted above that you can see the shimmer you need to look for by looking at your view model.
I believe i am still right to vote on 100% cloaking while walking. Even if devs have to lower speed when 100% cloaked.
The effect surely looks different on ATI vs NVidia and; or high vs lower setting (gamma, detail... whatever).
Then stays the fluo skin exploit... as Ragnareb mentioned.
Modern shaders really do not work that way... everything should look the same and be IHV agnostic. Especially considering how proficient the devs are...
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The effect surely looks different on ATI vs NVidia and; or high vs lower setting (gamma, detail... whatever).
Then stays the fluo skin exploit... as Ragnareb mentioned.
If the purpose of the command was to spot cloaked skulks and other things, who would actually use it in combat. You don't need 200 fps to walk around a map.
Thought that would have been pretty obvious from the outset. so yes, this is a cheat.
It would make it much harder for the average Joe to spot a nav mesh issue in maps and report it, if the feature was locked away behind the cheats command. I was able to nail the Mineshaft issue down in the very first match right after patch release thanks to nav_debug being available on every server.
So it's the gamma settings or that skin or whatever, in my opinion it is still basically the exact same thing as using a hack... When it's set so you can spot a 100% invisible (not moving with lvl 3 veil) skulk from so far away SO easily, it's cheating.
Example: I remember one game on summit where Aliens had already lost (pushed back to hive, not even 1 RT) yet we still had our 3 veils so I went phantom skulk and moved up to a random spot waaaaaaaaaaay out in crevice and sat to wait for the last few concede votes to roll in. Low and behold the top marine player walks into crevice and miraculously is able to easily spot and kill me... His response when I said wtf... "I saw the shimmer"
Yeah BS, lvl 3 cloaked aliens should be 100% invisible no matter what skin or graphical settings you have chosen.
unmoving skulks at lvl 3 cloak are already 100% invisible.
Wasn't even touching my mouse, and I looked after dying to see all 3 veils still up.
There are players who can easily spot lvl 3 cloaked aliens even when they are not moving at all...
Level 3 is not 100% cloak though. It still gives a subtle light distortion effect. When playing at high fps with a decent monitor I find moving my viewpoint as a marine is enough to spot an alien. You see lines/textures being slightly distorted in one area in a skulk shape.
They are not; since b250, its about 95% max.
If you can still see your outline distorted, you should be able to see others, you just need to be aware of what you are looking for, If you can't see your outline when fully cloaked, try adjusting your monitor settings.
False.
They are still very much visible to the observant eye, with a shimmering outline that is incredibly easy to spot against light sources.
Definitely not 100%
Not the best example of how easy it can be (brighter backgrounds help), but it gets the idea across. In full motion it's even easier to spot:
vs.
Not very sneaky..
You aren't?
...why?
Disclaimer: Zefram Onos, on the other hand, flashes faster than golden's lerk.
Sounded like you were saying cloaking yourself 100% was a) possible b) able to be determined by looking at your first person view, when it is is active.
It does not, it has exactly the same amount of distortion as the world model. I thought you were a playtester :P Here is a short video showing a distorted gorge view model, you can clearly see the same distortion effect around the top and bottom of the screen.
This distortion effect is what you should be looking out for in-game, and I stand by my answer as posted above that you can see the shimmer you need to look for by looking at your view model.
Have edited your name from my prior post to make up for it