You know what, I feel like we missed out on an opportunity with the loading screen hints/tips

IdlerayIdleray Join Date: 2012-10-04 Member: 161464Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 154 Advanced user
edited February 2014 in NS2 General Discussion
Because it's a fking huge-arse long wait for people with average machines, and even for people with good rigs it takes about 30 sec-2 minutes.

That's enough time to display 3-4 tips. There should be like a button to press to scroll to the next tip. There should be diagrams of things like tech trees or combat situations to act in tandem with the hints/tips, rather than pretty but ultimately unhelpful pictures of the map you're going to.

The tips currently in the game are woefully short and uninformative, and I could easily come up with like 100 tips that will get new players off to a good start without having to go to the bother of asking other players and risking trolley/obnoxious responses.

Things like what you should do as a marine: positioning yourself adequately far from teammates so you don't get in each others way, making Harvester destruction a high priority, using burst fire, spreading out during the early game, mine placement, strafing and jumping to avoid skulks rather than backpedalling, etc.

Things you should know as aliens: that res node harrassment beats taking on marines any day, that fades should try and blink upwards momentarily to throw off aim, that lerks should try and fly erratically up and down to avoid fire.

This would have done at least something to overcome the fact that there is no tutorial. And I don't just mean obvious hints like "you can pick up your teammates weapons/ you can hold shift to sneak up on rines" either.
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  • SamusDroidSamusDroid Colorado Join Date: 2013-05-13 Member: 185219Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 2,155 mod
    edited February 2014
    Just turn "Show hints" on. And there is a tutorial.
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  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter Posts: 1,551 Advanced user
    SamusDroid wrote: »
    Just turn "Show hints" on. And there is a tutorial.
    It's not AWFUL but it's certainly not great. There's only so much info you can pack into that thing, you know? And players sure as hell aren't going to remember every tidbit of information, and they sure as hell arent going to go through the tutorial multiple times to help them remember.

    A 'community tips' box I think would be a great and easy, inexpensive way to educate players. I was actually going to make a thread about this idea last night, but I got really, really high.

    But yeah, NS2 should be more proud of it's community and the untiring willingness of vets to help rookies learn the basics of this very complicated game. If we could get real tips from real people, it'd do exactly that.

    All it takes is for a dev to post a thread in the forums like 'community tips here plox' and then everyone posts things they'd love to have been told as a new player. We take the best 100(/lots) of these tips, we put them into a little box that you can scroll through on the loading screen, and give credit to the community member that made the post.

    Seriously this would help new players 10000x more than obtrusive and patronising tutorials. And would be way cheap and easy to implement. Did I mention easy? Or cheap? Hey hey hey
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  • CrushaKCrushaK Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167195Members, NS2 Playtester Posts: 1,182 Advanced user
    Amen to that. The loading hints did a great deal for TF2 to teach players useful pieces of information over time, without being intrusive.
    (Going through the audio commentary sections of Valve games to find out what careful design decisions went into things like accessibility can be very enlightening.)
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  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter Posts: 1,551 Advanced user
    CrushaK wrote: »
    (Going through the audio commentary sections of Valve games to find out what careful design decisions went into things like accessibility can be very enlightening.)

    OGOD yes, if NS2 had something like that, mmmmm imagine all the tasty informations

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  • VetinariVetinari Join Date: 2013-07-23 Member: 186325Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver Posts: 3,448 Advanced user
    edited February 2014
    CrushaK wrote: »
    (Going through the audio commentary sections of Valve games to find out what careful design decisions went into things like accessibility can be very enlightening.)

    OGOD yes, if NS2 had something like that, mmmmm imagine all the tasty informations

    Sadly I sometimes think they don't nearly put as much thought in such things as Valve.

    (Granted, Valve is kinda bigger as UWE, but I think you know what I mean)
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  • cooliticcoolitic Right behind you Join Date: 2013-04-02 Member: 184609Members Posts: 1,684 Advanced user
    Yeah it's hard to learn anything but the very basics in ns2 for new players due to lack of proper tutorials. For regular dudes there is an ok-ish while-you-play tutorial, but honestly for comms those videos dont do anything.
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    edited February 2014
    As much as I'd love to hear @Mendasp's sultry tones explain the precise reasoning behind each specific plant placement I don't think we have the resources for a commentary mode.
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