Spark development

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So the devs have confirmed that while Subnautica will be using Unity 4, they are still developing Spark. I'm curious to know, will these new developments in Spark be trickling down to NS2, or will we have to wait for a new game? I'm mostly concerned about the map editor. I've learned a lot since starting with it back in August of last year, but there are still a lot of features on my wish list.
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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    I assume any improvements to the Spark engine will automatically be distributed to all games using Spark.
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  • Mattk50Mattk50 Join Date: 2013-02-04 Member: 182824Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    I assume any improvements to the Spark engine will automatically be distributed to all games using Spark.
    This isn't how engine and game improvements work, but in NS2's case it will probably receive the updates, as long as UWE wants to keep improving it.
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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    By any improvements I meant general ones (or specific) that will benefit NS2. Not new features that will be useless to NS2 but beneficial to a new game.

    I would assume they would do this anyway, pretty sure source games still get updates, so it's not like you abandon old games of the same engine.
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  • ScatterScatter Join Date: 2012-09-02 Member: 157341Members, Squad Five Blue
    Still waiting for SamusDroid to rewrite the game in C++
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  • Mattk50Mattk50 Join Date: 2013-02-04 Member: 182824Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2014
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    By any improvements I meant general ones (or specific) that will benefit NS2. Not new features that will be useless to NS2 but beneficial to a new game.

    I would assume they would do this anyway, pretty sure source games still get updates, so it's not like you abandon old games of the same engine.

    I know, but even general engine improvements are usually not rolled out to older games as it often requires modification of the game itself.

    (no, HL2 hasnt been updated with the latest version of source that say portal 2 is on. Some valve games HAVE been updated for their linux port but thats an entirely different issue.)
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  • joshhhjoshhh Milwaukee, WI Join Date: 2011-06-21 Member: 105717Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who said there might be some further performance increases coming to NS2.
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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    I know this guy too.
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  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Great to hear!

    Also:
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  • joshhhjoshhh Milwaukee, WI Join Date: 2011-06-21 Member: 105717Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    What do I get if I watch that whole thing? Aside from the aneurysm and brain cancer.
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  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    joshhh wrote: »
    What do I get if I watch that whole thing? Aside from the aneurysm and brain cancer.

    Not sure. Doubt it even has the ending on it, probably just cuts off.
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  • AmbAmb Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168647Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    the thread title "spark development" is an oxymoron
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  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Amb wrote: »
    the thread title "spark development" is an oxymoron

    ...uh no.
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  • HowserHowser UK Join Date: 2010-02-08 Member: 70488Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    edited January 2014
    I know a guy who knows a guy who said the engine has branched off from the NS2 version. What really needs to change is the model system as collada is no fun to work with. so if they've drastically changed that importing the animations, models on a new system could be quite and undertaking/bottle neck on porting it over i guess.... and probably why it wont be ported straight to the newer versions any time soon.
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  • AmbAmb Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168647Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    sorry to sound not so constructive, but the spark engine is a POS
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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    It's really not, it's fine. It's the lua that's the problem.
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  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Well personally I think it's amazing what such a small team has been able to accomplish. I just wish the editor would get some more love now and then. :(
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  • IronsoulIronsoul Join Date: 2011-03-12 Member: 86048Members
    overall ns2 performance is acceptable. But yeah, the editor needs some work.
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  • AmbAmb Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168647Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    It's really not, it's fine. It's the lua that's the problem.

    it's their fault for choosing Lua aka Java lag fest?
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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    ..Yes it is their "fault" since they chose to use it. Lua is not also known as java btw. It's lua.
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  • AmbAmb Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168647Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    ..Yes it is their "fault" since they chose to use it. Lua is not also known as java btw. It's lua.

    Well, when you make a bad decision and screw up your franchise, hmm yeah, it IS kinda your fault?
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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    I said that it was...
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