TODAY (9/13)! Legendary Snails vs. Saunamen @ 10:30amPDT/7:30pmCEST *Edit: Videos Posted*

RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
edited September 2013 in NS2 General Discussion
Hey guys!

This will be a GREAT rematch! These teams just met each other in the European Open finals in Telford, UK and I'm sure Saunamen wants some payback! Will be going live on Twitch.tv/RedDogTV roughly 2 hours from this post time!

See you there!

*edit*
Here are the videos, Enjoy folks!

Round 1:


Round 2:


Round 3:


Round 4:


FULL SHOW:


Comments

  • joshhhjoshhh Milwaukee, WI Join Date: 2011-06-21 Member: 105717Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    Yay more things to help me procrastinate at work. Wooo!
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    is that again with that "nobody knows what it does to balance" option friendly fire?
  • joshhhjoshhh Milwaukee, WI Join Date: 2011-06-21 Member: 105717Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    All NSL matches have FF turned on.
  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I will cheer for Leipa, cause he one-man-pubstomps me so good and deep.
    XX
  • xen32xen32 Join Date: 2012-10-18 Member: 162676Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited September 2013
    I'm posting here to get time of my post, because I have no idea if forums show me my local time.

    Edit: it is my local time
  • tuxatortuxator Join Date: 2010-01-07 Member: 69958Members, Reinforced - Gold
    good for them for being able to play this game...for the rest of us, is there a patch coming to fix at least some of the problems that make the game currently unplayable on Linux?
  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    tuxator wrote: »
    good for them for being able to play this game...for the rest of us, is there a patch coming to fix at least some of the problems that make the game currently unplayable on Linux?

    Nicely on topic with just a little bridge.. lol
    They are working on it, read the rest of these forums..

  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited September 2013
    Awwww really wouldve loved to see the end of game 2. Sucky twitch crashing :(

    Edit: And now i missed the end of game 3 cause i was getting a beer for like 30 seconds lol.

    Edit2: judging by reddog's face he took it worse then me lol. i feel better now.

    Edit3: GG! Saunamen on FCKING FIRE ! The trashtalk was enjoyable. :) Tnx reddog and blind, have a cold one on me! <3
  • UncleCrunchUncleCrunch Mayonnaise land Join Date: 2005-02-16 Member: 41365Members, Reinforced - Onos
    Legendary Snail 1 : 3 Saunamen

    Fast details
    Round 1
    LS@flight control, Shift hive / Saunamen@data core and pushing Crossroad.
    LS unfortunately lost fade too early. They never got a second chance. Cyst lol...

    Round 2
    Saunamen@flight, Carapace, drifter / LS@data
    Left-Right strategy is : Alien attack base in order to make marines fall-back and rebuild if necessary. Then they attack Rts.

    Around 6 minutes marines starts to loose res. Double Onos is out at ~17.

    Reddog Twitch TV started to crach... Alternate stream on french side was available but did crashed after round 3.

    On Jambi
    Round 3
    Saunamen@Docking / LS@Waste shift hive.
    They had forth and back,
    then at ~7:00 Saunamen drop a first PG Pipeline hive
    7:15 PG was down and LS decided to rush the CC.
    at 9:15 CC was down. It paid.
    Commander couldn't relocate or beacon; no money.

    Round 4
    LS@Docking / Saunamen@Pipeline Carapace hive.
    Same strategy left right + enzyme and RT pressure.
    They did lost a second hive, 2 fades at the same time. Even with enzime they couldn't do it.

    Comments:
    Jambi: big map mean more Rts for both team apparently.


    Most of what made the difference was on the Alien round for Saunamen

    LS did played their Alien round only with Celerity.

    Saunamen did the brute force Left-Right Alien strategy:
    Using an alien ball (3~4 units) on one objective, Carapace, and a drifter to Enzime. Going from attacking base then RTs to drain little by little the Res income. Making sure the marines use it on rebuild instead of spending it on upgrades.

    In other words they accept to take punched for a while (open turtle posture) and progress inch by inch. We often see in this kind of game a crag and a whip close to a harvester. Not the smartest thing. All this is still rely on brute force. Someone commented on twitch "Counter-strike meets Starcraft". I was like : "f**ck he"s right".

    This makes me think marine are a little OP.
    -Because alien tends to do that "rock solid" carapace, harassing stuff just to buy some time.
    -With Shift... not gonna do it.
    -Shade was not on the menu tonight either.

    Noticeable facts:
    -Many marines did a 2 skulk shot in a raw during these games.
    -Even on a sure win; 2 Onie have difficulties doing it. One was down on round 4 on last rush.
    -Sometimes fades are just paper.



  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited September 2013
    I spoke with one of the Twitch engineers that I have on my Skype and he confirmed that it was a bug on their end and they were still fixing it - it affected tons of channels.

    I'm glad that when it happened to me, it was at the end of round 2 (only a min missed I believe) and was able to get round 3 on my secondary channel and back to my main channel (started working again) for round 4. Will post them soon


    I'd like to note as well that it IS Friday the 13th that just pwned my stream... lol
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    good casting, good camera skillz and pretty good games.

    i know that we ns2 know-all's prefer to watch from 'birds-eye' perspective, but it irks me a bit that random people tuning into the stream might find it a bit confusing/chaotic and understand/respect the competitiveness more if it was shot in first-person perspective.
  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    [quote="tarquinbb;2151951" random people tuning into the stream might understand (..) more if it was shot in first-person perspective.[/quote]

    Yes very true. 1 guy was looking awhile and asked "is this a Moba?"
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    Want youtube vids, Red! Missed the show :(
  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
    They're coming! Almost done!
  • KamamuraKamamura Join Date: 2013-03-06 Member: 183736Members, Reinforced - Gold
    IronHorse wrote: »
    Want youtube vids, Red! Missed the show :(

    You and me both, man. All I managed to see was: "Thank you for watching, this is Red Dog, signing off... sorry, wrong button, bye!" And that was it!

  • Blarney_StoneBlarney_Stone Join Date: 2013-03-08 Member: 183808Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    The curse of the Twitch front page is a very real thing.
  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited September 2013
    The curse of the Twitch front page is a very real thing.

    For real!

    However, despite the technical stuff, it was a successful stream. We brought in a lot of people that never saw NS2 before and were really impressed!

    Stats pulled from my Twitch:

    Unique Viewers (10:30am-12:30pm): 64,420
    Max Concurrent Viewers (pre-error): 3,614
    Max Concurrent Viewers (post-error): 2,496

    Hopefully some of those people picked up the game!
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    @reddog
    "Unique Viewers (10:30am-12:30pm): 64,420"

    ::Jaw drop::
    @-)
  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
    IronHorse wrote: »
    @reddog
    "Unique Viewers (10:30am-12:30pm): 64,420"

    ::Jaw drop::
    @-)

    Summer Cup Finals was 108K. I think this one would have been close or beat it if that Twitch glitch didn't happen. Ah well.


    Also, videos are uploaded. I will post them here once they are ready.

    Cheers!
  • TovaTova Join Date: 2012-12-26 Member: 176254Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited September 2013
    I certainly don't want to be a dick, especially because I can't play the game nearly 1/10th as well as any of the individuals in today's matches, but it seemed very one-sided. Saunamen pretty much ran every game, controlling the flow, keeping Snails on their back feet, focusing on a small but steady economy while the Snails elected to try and get ahead with multiple RTs they just couldn't hold. The Snails were constantly spending TeamRES on replacing destroyed RTs which tended to put them behind in upgrades. Snails got a lucky round when they unexpectedly caught the Saunamen out of position and rushed the CC. The last game was probably the most interesting to watch, there was some really good play by the Snails but it was a little too late.

    As a side note my buddy, who knows little to none about NS2, appreciated the commentator explanations on various aspects of play. Keep up the good work!
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    IronHorse wrote: »
    @reddog
    "Unique Viewers (10:30am-12:30pm): 64,420"

    ::Jaw drop::
    @-)

    does that count anyone that accesses the twitch home page though?

    i guess it spreads awareness, but i'm not sure how many of those 64k actually paid any notice :P
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    UGH the spoilers in this thread. Waiting on the youtube vids, thanks for telling us the final score...
  • xen32xen32 Join Date: 2012-10-18 Member: 162676Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    tarquinbb wrote: »
    good casting, good camera skillz and pretty good games.

    i know that we ns2 know-all's prefer to watch from 'birds-eye' perspective, but it irks me a bit that random people tuning into the stream might find it a bit confusing/chaotic and understand/respect the competitiveness more if it was shot in first-person perspective.

    I was trying to get my friend watch some streams earlier, but he was like 'From this perspective, I don't get what is going on'.
  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Maybe someone can make / edit a short trailer to play before a match, explaining the basics of NS2 in like 30 seconds or so.
    (map, aliens, marines, commanders, resources, tech point)
  • kalakujakalakuja Join Date: 2012-09-11 Member: 159045Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter
    "is this a moba game" :DD
  • X3N0X3N0 Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186662Members
    It's funny, but from a non-comp player, I actually enjoyed the Renegade2 v Fight Clan match more. This isn't to take anything away from Saunas or Snails; the skills on show by these guys are always beyond impressive and it was a thoroughly enjoyable stream. Sauna seemed to make short work of Snails last night, as @Tova says. On the other hand, there was something about the mistakes and hesitations in that Div3 game that made Fight vs R2 a really exciting back-and-forward contest, particularly the final round on Jambi. Perhaps it was just luck with an incredibly even matchup.

    +1 to the idea of a 30 second video before the game explaining the basics, there were a lot of people asking in chat for a summary.

    Also, cheers RedDog for a top cast.
  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
    tarquinbb wrote: »

    does that count anyone that accesses the twitch home page though?

    i guess it spreads awareness, but i'm not sure how many of those 64k actually paid any notice :P

    I chatted with some Twitch staff on clarification on those stats. Unique Visitors are anyone that came to the actual channel from the front page. If they loaded my video on the front page by just clicking my channel banner (this would load the video on the front page, not go to my channel), that would just count as a view, not a visit. So, throughout the event, 64k people actually clicked through all the way to the channel and watched. Now, some stayed a long time, some stayed a few minutes, but they still were exposed to NS2 and not just a "passerby" as they made the decision to check it out.
    CCTEE wrote: »
    Maybe someone can make / edit a short trailer to play before a match, explaining the basics of NS2 in like 30 seconds or so.
    (map, aliens, marines, commanders, resources, tech point)

    That is SUCH a good idea! I will get on that for the next big front page event!

  • RedDogRedDog Las Vegas Join Date: 2013-02-22 Member: 183267Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Videos are now posted in the OP. Enjoy everyone. These were some awesome rounds!
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