NS2 feature prioritization via reinforced votes

Racer1Racer1 Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9615Members
As long as UW is working on NS2, they will always be improving on performance and balance. Beyond this, however, there are many enhancements that are being made - Linux support, new maps, etc. are great examples. Even so, UW stamina only goes so far. Perhaps as another incentive to reinforced would be to allow those who purchase badges (at/above a certain level?) to vote for the features/bugs that they wish to be worked on for the next major release. (Maybe the supplemental Onos badge that is being discussed could do this, along with anyone that has an Onos badge).

Obviously, UW already uses input from the forms/playtesters, but this would be an additional way to help determine what gets priority. Think of it as more literally voting with your wallet. Of course, not everything that gets voted for would be (or even could be) fixed by the release date.

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  • Side1Bu2Rnz9Side1Bu2Rnz9 Join Date: 2012-10-16 Member: 162510Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    I don't think that only people with money to give away should be the voice that UWE listens to most. I get that it's an investment, those that got the onos badge, but the 30 some people that could give that money may not be the most knowledgable or have the same idea of how ns2 should go when compared to the majority.
  • amoralamoral Join Date: 2013-01-03 Member: 177250Members
    :) turn what is essentially a monarchy, into an oligarchy in miniature. I like it. as any good capitalist market, people will vote with their feet. and performance will make me take a walkabout, as im more or less doing now.
  • SamusDroidSamusDroid Colorado Join Date: 2013-05-13 Member: 185219Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    Pay 75 k and you get exactly what you are asking for :P
  • Side1Bu2Rnz9Side1Bu2Rnz9 Join Date: 2012-10-16 Member: 162510Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yeah let me just pull out my check book... Just don't cash the check for maybe about 15 years...
  • bizbiz Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167386Members
    Racer1 wrote: »
    As long as UW is working on NS2, they will always be improving on performance and balance.

    bold statement

    there's a difference between trying to accomplish something and actually getting it done

    if we actually believed this, there would be almost no complaints about how development is handled
    but the latest fiasco indicates that UWE priorites are elsewhere
  • GeekavengerGeekavenger Join Date: 2012-08-31 Member: 157117Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    biz wrote: »
    Racer1 wrote: »
    As long as UW is working on NS2, they will always be improving on performance and balance.

    if we actually believed this, there would be almost no complaints about how development is handled
    but the latest fiasco indicates that UWE priorites are elsewhere

    I guess I just have less faith in humanity than you, but even if they were steadily improving the game in both performance and balance (which I think they have been doing mostly) that does not prevent people from complaining. I find if you give people a forum they will find something to complain about.

    As a side note I think complaints about change is a testament to the emotional connection people have built to this great game. So complaining about the development process should be seen, at least on some levels, as a success. People care about your product enough that when it changes they get upset.
  • CrushaKCrushaK Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167195Members, NS2 Playtester
    Racer1 wrote: »
    As long as UW is working on NS2, they will always be improving on performance and balance. Beyond this, however, there are many enhancements that are being made - Linux support, new maps, etc. are great examples. Even so, UW stamina only goes so far. Perhaps as another incentive to reinforced would be to allow those who purchase badges (at/above a certain level?) to vote for the features/bugs that they wish to be worked on for the next major release. (Maybe the supplemental Onos badge that is being discussed could do this, along with anyone that has an Onos badge).

    Obviously, UW already uses input from the forms/playtesters, but this would be an additional way to help determine what gets priority. Think of it as more literally voting with your wallet. Of course, not everything that gets voted for would be (or even could be) fixed by the release date.

    You seem to forget the primary idea behind the concept of Kickstarter-like crowd funding actions: it's a deliberate donation to show your support and good will for a product and the company making it. The goal is to get funding for a project without having any third party impair the vision of the developers.
    The reward tiers are just a token gesture for the most part anyway, since the goods you get from them are not supposed to measure up to the amount of money you paid for them.

    I can't stress the word "donation" enough. You are not buying shares in the company and don't have any say in what the company is doing except delivering the promised product, which isn't really the case in the Reinforced program anyway since the product is already released and this is more a post-funding. Because otherwise Kickstarters wouldn't be much different from developers being the dog of a publisher and executing the tasks given by their investors.
  • amoralamoral Join Date: 2013-01-03 Member: 177250Members
    biz wrote: »
    Racer1 wrote: »
    As long as UW is working on NS2, they will always be improving on performance and balance.

    if we actually believed this, there would be almost no complaints about how development is handled
    but the latest fiasco indicates that UWE priorites are elsewhere

    I guess I just have less faith in humanity than you, but even if they were steadily improving the game in both performance and balance (which I think they have been doing mostly) that does not prevent people from complaining. I find if you give people a forum they will find something to complain about.

    As a side note I think complaints about change is a testament to the emotional connection people have built to this great game. So complaining about the development process should be seen, at least on some levels, as a success. People care about your product enough that when it changes they get upset.

    that doesn't mean the complaints aren't legitimate. if you don't give people a forum, it doesn't mean the complaints go away.
  • amoralamoral Join Date: 2013-01-03 Member: 177250Members
    CrushaK wrote: »
    Racer1 wrote: »
    As long as UW is working on NS2, they will always be improving on performance and balance. Beyond this, however, there are many enhancements that are being made - Linux support, new maps, etc. are great examples. Even so, UW stamina only goes so far. Perhaps as another incentive to reinforced would be to allow those who purchase badges (at/above a certain level?) to vote for the features/bugs that they wish to be worked on for the next major release. (Maybe the supplemental Onos badge that is being discussed could do this, along with anyone that has an Onos badge).

    Obviously, UW already uses input from the forms/playtesters, but this would be an additional way to help determine what gets priority. Think of it as more literally voting with your wallet. Of course, not everything that gets voted for would be (or even could be) fixed by the release date.

    You seem to forget the primary idea behind the concept of Kickstarter-like crowd funding actions: it's a deliberate donation to show your support and good will for a product and the company making it. The goal is to get funding for a project without having any third party impair the vision of the developers.
    The reward tiers are just a token gesture for the most part anyway, since the goods you get from them are not supposed to measure up to the amount of money you paid for them.

    I can't stress the word "donation" enough. You are not buying shares in the company and don't have any say in what the company is doing except delivering the promised product, which isn't really the case in the Reinforced program anyway since the product is already released and this is more a post-funding. Because otherwise Kickstarters wouldn't be much different from developers being the dog of a publisher and executing the tasks given by their investors.

    except that the investors are also your consumers. also, devs and donators are both guilty of treating kickstarter as an extremely premature preorder.

    personally, I've kickstarted a few projects, but always with the understanding that I would either be getting a discount, or without my contribution the thing would not get off the ground. preorder, to find the development of the game I want to eventually buy... but they better have a concrete vision.
  • HamletHamlet Join Date: 2008-08-17 Member: 64837Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited September 2013
    Dropbox has a neat votebox.
    Everybody with an account can take part and place 6 votes/month on the things that should be prioritized. Pro users receive 9 votes.

    I'd like to see the same voting mechanic for NS2, because Google Moderator was just too unwieldy... as far as I know there was no way to stop already finished wishes from clogging the view.
  • Racer1Racer1 Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9615Members
    CrushaK wrote: »
    You seem to forget the primary idea behind the concept of Kickstarter-like crowd funding actions: it's a deliberate donation to show your support and good will for a product and the company making it. The goal is to get funding for a project without having any third party impair the vision of the developers. The reward tiers are just a token gesture for the most part anyway, since the goods you get from them are not supposed to measure up to the amount of money you paid for them.

    With every purchase/donation, the buyer is looking at what they get for their money -- be it "goodwill" or a new car. This is just how our brains are wired. While I agree that the stuff promised on such a fundraiser is never guaranteed, I think it definitely helps to encourage contributors to donate at higher levels than they would have otherwise.
  • NeokenNeoken Bruges, Belgium Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27447Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester
    To be honest, I think it would be interesting to start up a new official google moderator and see what's bugging people the most at the moment.
  • BentRingBentRing Join Date: 2003-03-04 Member: 14318Members
    Neoken wrote: »
    To be honest, I think it would be interesting to start up a new official google moderator and see what's bugging people the most at the moment.

    I think it's pretty certain the top 3 would be performance, uneven games (difference in skill etc), and crybaby forum posters, but not necessarily in that order.
  • cooliticcoolitic Right behind you Join Date: 2013-04-02 Member: 184609Members
    Well if they listened to my idea of adopting something similar to PS2 Roadmap, there would be almost no problems.
  • cooliticcoolitic Right behind you Join Date: 2013-04-02 Member: 184609Members
    Also the performance is great for an indie-developed game engine. Lets see someone else do it with the resources UWE has.
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