STUPID MATH QUESTION!!!

Delta1_1Delta1_1 Join Date: 2013-02-26 Member: 183360Members
So we had a question in math class. the question was something like "Your friend has started a new job. he tells you he earns 18. what do you think he earns?".. what do you think he earned? $18. 1,800, 18 million or 18 thousand. It gives no other information than that. You can't have something different than that. which one is the right answer?

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  • FuleFule Join Date: 2009-06-04 Member: 67683Members
    Probably 18,000$ (in a year?), I don't know.
  • dragonmithdragonmith Join Date: 2013-02-04 Member: 182817Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    I get similar when people say 10 past... 10 past what?

    Anyway, to your question I would recomend being a smartass, saying "$18 an hour? Thats barly over the living wage!" But then, it's most likely he's saying 18,000$ (Ta eddie). Depends, any idea where he works?
  • Delta1_1Delta1_1 Join Date: 2013-02-26 Member: 183360Members
    Anyway, to your question I would recomend being a smartass, saying "$18 an hour? Thats barly over the living wage!" But then, it's most likely he's saying 18,000$ (Ta eddie). Depends, any idea where he works?

    its a multiple choice question so can't be a smartass.
  • AngeluszAngelusz Harmonic entropist Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18072Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    What exactly are the answers? If it's written in numbers, the trick could be in 1.800 or 1,800, which makes quite a difference.
  • Delta1_1Delta1_1 Join Date: 2013-02-26 Member: 183360Members
    the anwers are:
    18 euro's
    1800 euro's
    18000 euro's
    18 million euro's

    and its multiple choice.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited March 2013
    Assuming the friend is in high school, I'd expect $18K/yr. Though $18/hr could also be realistic, with a ridiculously good job.
    I get the feeling that there is some information missing that went along with the specific wording of the question. You can always write-in that there was insufficient information, if not. Safe answer is $18,000, with a write-in '/yr'.

    I'd more be questioning how this is a math question, though.
    At best it's a rough estimation of scope, which requires more context than has been provided.
  • AngeluszAngelusz Harmonic entropist Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18072Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    Ah. Euro's. Now there's another factor. Depending on the country you live it, taxes etc. can influence the amount of money you make.

    Here in the netherlands, the mean gross income is around 33.000 Euro's per year. 18eu per hour is a decent wage, which should get close to that annual amount. But! That would be too much for a job starter.

    So, what you need to know is what the mean income in your country is and go from there, I think.

  • XariusXarius Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24630Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Either 18 an hour, which is a lot of a starter or 18000 a year (which is not bad for a starter). You wouldn't say 18 if you're referring to 1800 a month.
  • Delta1_1Delta1_1 Join Date: 2013-02-26 Member: 183360Members
    Ah. Euro's. Now there's another factor.
    I am dutch as well but the question is stupid, I am a first year MBO level 4 student and we get these questions.
    squall
  • NeokenNeoken Bruges, Belgium Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27447Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester
    edited March 2013
    Maybe it's not one answer, but all of them. I'm guessing the teacher will just point out your wage depends on how hard you study in class. :D
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited March 2013
    This isn't a math question, it's a language comprehension question.

  • BestProfileNameBestProfileName Join Date: 2013-01-03 Member: 177320Members
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    You have the stupidest math class I have ever heard of.
  • bERt0rbERt0r Join Date: 2005-03-23 Member: 46181Members
    edited March 2013
    18 hunderd euros (1,800 per month) was a common starting salary when I finished "high school". I dunno about netherland's school system, maybe there are different "high schools" like where I come from. (Some give you more practical education for IT jobs for example and you can expect a higher wage) Obviously this all depends on whether it is before or after taxes.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I expected a math question to, you know, involve math....
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    You have the stupidest math class I have ever heard of.

  • buhehebuhehe Join Date: 2012-05-15 Member: 152140Members
    edited March 2013
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    You have 2 eggs and a 100 story tall building.
    You are tasked with finding which is the highest floor you can drop the eggs off of before they will break. You want to do this in the least number of tries possible and without running out of eggs before you determine the correct floor.
    Both eggs behave identically, neglect terminal velocity, falls that don't break the eggs do not disrupt their stability.

    What would be your methodology? (no points for saying start at floor 1 then 2 then 3 etc)
    What is the MAX number of tries it would take to determine the correct floor?
    If the building was 10,000 stories tall how many eggs would you need for this method?
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    Roosters don't lay eggs.
  • ellnicellnic Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72559Members, Reinforced - Shadow
  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    Xyth wrote: »
    You have 2 eggs and a 100 story tall building.
    You are tasked with finding which is the highest floor you can drop the eggs off of before they will break. You want to do this in the least number of tries possible and without running out of eggs before you determine the correct floor.
    Both eggs behave identically, neglect terminal velocity, falls that don't break the eggs do not disrupt their stability.

    What would be your methodology? (no points for saying start at floor 1 then 2 then 3 etc)
    What is the MAX number of tries it would take to determine the correct floor?
    If the building was 10,000 stories tall how many eggs would you need for this method?

    logn
  • buhehebuhehe Join Date: 2012-05-15 Member: 152140Members
    Xyth wrote: »
    You have 2 eggs and a 100 story tall building.
    You are tasked with finding which is the highest floor you can drop the eggs off of before they will break. You want to do this in the least number of tries possible and without running out of eggs before you determine the correct floor.
    Both eggs behave identically, neglect terminal velocity, falls that don't break the eggs do not disrupt their stability.

    What would be your methodology? (no points for saying start at floor 1 then 2 then 3 etc)
    What is the MAX number of tries it would take to determine the correct floor?
    If the building was 10,000 stories tall how many eggs would you need for this method?

    logn

    exactly, binary search ;)

    with a 10k stories tall u'd need log_2 10.000 , between 13 and 14

  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Does that work even though your eggs might smash on the first two tries, leaving the task unfinished?
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    The correct answer was to use 1 egg to determine each decimal place
    So for 100 stories you start at 10th floor, then go to 20th, then 30th etc until the egg breaks.
    If it breaks on the 40th floor for example, you take your last egg and drop if from floor 31, then 32, then 33 etc.
    So, worst case scenario, the answer is floor 99. It takes 10 drops to reach floor 100 where the first egg breaks. Then it takes 9 drops from floor 91 to floor 99, 19 drops in total.

    Building on that answer, a 10000 floor building could be done with 4 eggs. Worst case scenario the answer is floor 9999. That's 10 drops to reach floor 10,000(1000th, then 2000th, etc), 9 drops to reach floor 9900(9100,9200,9300...) , 9 drops to reach floor 9990 (9910,9920,9930...) and finally 9 drops to reach floor 9999 (9991,9992,9993 etc). 37 drops maximum.

    This was the solution presented to me at least, It's possible there's a better way.
  • buhehebuhehe Join Date: 2012-05-15 Member: 152140Members
    Xyth wrote: »
    This was the solution presented to me at least, It's possible there's a better way.

    The binary search I wrote about is more efficient, at least for the worst case.
    Worst case scenario for a 10k floors building is 14 eggs.

    The point of this algorithm is to split your data block in two subsets and determine in which half the solution is.
    You keep doing the same over and over until you find the exact solution.
    Since this is an exponential decrease in the size of the input, the amount of steps needed to process this data grows logarithmically (since log is the inverse function of exp).

    It works like this:

    --Step 1
    Test egg at 10k / 2 = 5000th floor.
    If it breaks, test at 2500th floor
    Else, test at 7500th floor.

    // Let's suppose the egg did break.

    --Step 2
    Test egg at 2.5k/2 = 1250th floor.
    If it breaks, test at 625th floor.
    Else, test at 1875th floor.


    And you keep doing this until you find the solution.
    This algorithm has a complexity of O(log_2 n), meaning that the worst case scenario is base 2 log of the input size n (in this case n = 10k).

    Hence:
    MAX = ceil(log_2 10.000) = 14
  • KamamuraKamamura Join Date: 2013-03-06 Member: 183736Members, Reinforced - Gold
    Answer - 18 years. It's a criminal lingo. What school do you study again?
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    buhehe wrote: »
    Xyth wrote: »
    This was the solution presented to me at least, It's possible there's a better way.

    The binary search I wrote about is more efficient, at least for the worst case.
    Worst case scenario for a 10k floors building is 14 eggs.
    The problem with binary search here is that you have exactly 2 eggs, so you might fail at step 2 and get stuck.
  • buhehebuhehe Join Date: 2012-05-15 Member: 152140Members
    edited March 2013
    Align wrote: »
    buhehe wrote: »
    Xyth wrote: »
    This was the solution presented to me at least, It's possible there's a better way.

    The binary search I wrote about is more efficient, at least for the worst case.
    Worst case scenario for a 10k floors building is 14 eggs.
    The problem with binary search here is that you have exactly 2 eggs, so you might fail at step 2 and get stuck.

    Ah, stupid me, I totally ignored the impossibility of reusing eggs >.<

    p.s. : epic profile picture!
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