Your Thoughs

MazimuZ

<div class="IPBDescription">did you know.....</div> In the beg. of a match when you need resources as an alien you can go eat <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> until you save up till 33/33. Then exit to the ready room and all your resources will go to the gorg's. So if you have 3-4 skulks do this right after they die, the gorg's can build another hive, defenes, and offensive chambers much quicker.

What is your take on this?

Should this be allowed? Maybe they should make it so the resources only go to the gorg if the person leaves all the way or changes team?

Testament

I think it gives the alien a bit too much of a boost, and I play aliens most of the time.

Gazaar

I remember someone posted something like this not too long ago, and Flayra made a comment that he would fix it or something. But how, I do not know, or if he will, I do not know.

Rabid_Llama

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Yes, Flayra said that it "sounded like an exploit" to him, if I remember correctly, and said that it would be fixed at the next client patch (or at some point at least). So I say don't use it, or FACE THE WRATH OF FLAYRA! mwahahahaha!
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BattleTech

Honestly, it is an effective way to give resources to a Gorge..
Whenever I gorge, I usually ask people to do the samething (mostly early on during the game).

Hell.. I got 3 hive's in 10 minutes! (10v10) game.

But, if you really look at it.. it's an unfair advantage, it should be fixed and punishable by making them wait 15-seconds to rejoin the game. ;D

greydmiyu

They wait 15s now. F4 back to foyer, enter aliens side, wait through respawn queue.

GreyPaws

<!--QuoteBegin--BattleTech+Nov 21 2002, 05:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BattleTech @ Nov 21 2002, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Honestly, it is an effective way to give resources to a Gorge..
Whenever I gorge, I usually ask people to do the samething (mostly early on during the game).

Hell.. I got 3 hive's in 10 minutes! (10v10) game.

But, if you really look at it.. it's an unfair advantage, it should be fixed and punishable by making them wait 15-seconds to rejoin the game. ;D<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its an exploit and has been discussed in several threads, it will be gone soon

Acheron

I think there should be some way for skulks to "defer" some of their resources to gorges. Mind you, they already do, to a certain extent.

Another question: say you are on a team with 3 skulks and a gorge. If all three skulks had max resources, but the gorge did not, would the gorge gain resources at a faster rate?

GreyPaws

<!--QuoteBegin--Acheron+Nov 21 2002, 06:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acheron @ Nov 21 2002, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think there should be some way for skulks to "defer" some of their resources to gorges. Mind you, they already do, to a certain extent.

Another question: say you are on a hypothetical team with 3 skulks and a gorge. If all three skulks had max resources, but the gorge did not, would the gorge gain resources at a faster rate?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think so, only other gorgs affect the resource gain for each gorg, might want to PM a dev about it

Bridger

<!--QuoteBegin--MazimuZ+Nov 21 2002, 06:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MazimuZ @ Nov 21 2002, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In the beg. of a match when you need resources as an alien you can go eat <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> until you save up till 33/33. Then exit to the ready room and all your resources will go to the gorg's. So if you have 3-4 skulks do this right after they die, the gorg's can build another hive, defenes, and offensive chambers much quicker.

What is your take on this?

Should this be allowed? Maybe they should make it so the resources only go to the gorg if the person leaves all the way or changes team?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
or, just play it straight and don't use those resourses. If your at 33/33 then any resourse that WOULD be going to you are now sent to the rest of your team (spills over since yours is full). That's the way i play it.

Bridger

<!--QuoteBegin--Acheron+Nov 21 2002, 07:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acheron @ Nov 21 2002, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Another question: say you are on a team with 3 skulks and a gorge. If all three skulks had max resources, but the gorge did not, would the gorge gain resources at a faster rate?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, if you are at full resourses the resourses that WOULD be given to you are sent to the rest of the team. So if everyone (all 3 skulks) on the team except for 1 gorge is at full resourses, that 1 gorge will get all the resourses for aliens.

GreyPaws

<!--QuoteBegin--Bridger+Nov 21 2002, 06:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bridger @ Nov 21 2002, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Acheron+Nov 21 2002, 07:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acheron @ Nov 21 2002, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Another question: say you are on a team with 3 skulks and a gorge.  If all three skulks had max resources, but the gorge did not, would the gorge gain resources at a faster rate?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, if you are at full resourses the resourses that WOULD be given to you are sent to the rest of the team. So if everyone (all 3 skulks) on the team except for 1 gorge is at full resourses, that 1 gorge will get all the resourses for aliens.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only gorgs share rsource gain, so I dont think youre right about this one

ianski

I've been an alien using this 'bug' and it's kinda cheap. Team of seven, two gorges. Each gorge gets a res point and then goes to the hive and gets another res point. At about that time, all skulks f4 and rejoin, the gorges now have enough to EACH get a hive. Suddenly the aliens go from lvl1 to lvl3 and since i'm the gorge, i have a heap of res points by the time the hives are up.. so i go onos and destroy the marine base by myself. I think it's a bit cheap.. unfortunately i had to use this tactic to see how it goes <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

As for the should they be allowed to do it, if Flayra is fixing it somehow - great. It gives the aliens such a huge boost. Anyway, this thread's pointless now too.. it's already been discussed before <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

SrCumference

[quote]Only gorgs share rsource gain, so I dont think youre right about this one [/quote[
As resources come in, they are divided among the team. Gorges get +33%(if I remember correctly) while everybody else just gets what they get. Once someone has all the resources they can hold, they stop getting any more, until they use some.

Example, think of it as a bunch of buckets. Water is dripping into these buckets. When one bucket gets filled, it can't hold anymore, so the valve above it gets turned off and diverted into another bucket. If everybody is full but one, then they get resources un-hindered. Trust me, that makes a difference.
One game, it was me(gorge) against three or four marines(1 on 4) and I was getting resources up the wazoo. I had enough for a second hive in no time.

Teufel_Eldritch

Using the ready room exploit is wrong and is considered cheating.

Daxx

Aye, its an exploit, and I do hope it gets fixed.

It was an unforseen problem of the game feature that was designed to keep the resouces in the pool, in case an alien quit the game. I imagine that the fix will be something along those lines only stricter, with the resouces only being donated back to the pool when the player truly exits the game. If they only go to the ready room, the RP's will mearly be lost.

Secret_Ninja

It is an exploit, but as someone remarked in another thread, it will come back later to nip the aliens in the butt. All those resources will go to the gorges, but they will receive them slower later on as all the other players have to build back up to maximum. It helps the aliens out a bit early on, but after that, it hurts them a tiny bit as well.

Windelkron

I know it's "considered an exploit" but the marines get money awfully fast (they start out with 100). Anyway, nobody usually goes to the readyroom if asked. Just disable its use in Tournament Mode so clanners can't use it.

nutter1

<!--QuoteBegin--MazimuZ+Nov 21 2002, 05:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MazimuZ @ Nov 21 2002, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In the beg. of a match when you need resources as an alien you can go eat <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> until you save up till 33/33. Then exit to the ready room and all your resources will go to the gorg's. So if you have 3-4 skulks do this right after they die, the gorg's can build another hive, defenes, and offensive chambers much quicker.

What is your take on this?

Should this be allowed? Maybe they should make it so the resources only go to the gorg if the person leaves all the way or changes team?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
surely in a match leaving and re entering game knowing that u are only leaving to to give res to fatty is a exploit

Brave_Ulysses

<!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Nov 21 2002, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Nov 21 2002, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Using the ready room exploit is wrong and is considered cheating.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Frank Grimes certainly thinks so...

Macguyvok

Hrm.. just a thought.... when an alien dies... does his res "die" with him? Personally I think this makes sense.. so when u f4 out.. you should "die" and the aliens lose u;re res.. just like if you were shot... sounds more intuitive to me..... and considering gorges can now suck res.... Well... there's no need o the exploit.. just everyone go gorge, suck res, and then all go fade... or onos..... *although I don't like thinking of the alien team doing this....* Another question... if a gorge evolves cloaking, can he suck while cloaked? If so... WHY USE RES NODES? Just have cloaked gorges sucking away.. the marines would never know ehre the gorges are... till suddenly a pack of oni, or fades rush them...... That's been my concern for a little while now.... has ne playtester tried this?

Bogglesteinsky

and i thought this thread had died last year.

talk about flogging a dead horse...

the 1.04 fix was to have only half the res go back into the pool. in 1.1 there will be no res overflow at all and there will be no 33/66 limit, just 100 for all

Church

let's delete this thread. And i thought in 1.04 if you went to the readyroom all of your res was lost?

NSCypher

Yes, you do lose all your res in 1.04. Its just that this thread is SO old, they are talking about an earlier version when this didn't happen. Now, I just wish I had some picture about resurrecting dead threads...

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Lazer

I can't believe there are people that don't know this. When all the skulks hit 33 your resources come in a LOT faster. Why? Becasue all the res is sent to the only player without max at the time, the gorge. Go read the post about res splitting in the Khara strategy section. You need proof? Try it yourself.

Marik_Steele

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