How could Refinery be balanced?

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  • JediPhreaKJediPhreaK Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167028Members
    @ Zek I made these a while back


    Docking
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    Mineshaft
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    Refinery
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    Summit
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    Tram
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    Veil
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  • RaZDaZRaZDaZ Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167331Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Smelting is where I consider marines make their game. If they can secure Smelting then pressure Turbine and Lava heavily without much disruption on RTs then they are in a good spot. However, the vents that link to Transit and Smelting are TOO convenient. It's so difficult to defend Flow, Smelting or Pipe, maybe Lava Falls and Conduit all while keeping Transit alive. Against a decent team, Transit is going to go down A LOT and since it's a long walk from either control point. Phase Gate there? Ok, fair enough but that point is always constantly going to be at considerate risk yet how much risk is Chasm? Very rarely thanks to alien mobility and lack of convenient routes.
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2041539:date=Dec 7 2012, 10:04 AM:name=JediPhreaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JediPhreaK @ Dec 7 2012, 10:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041539"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->@ Zek I made these a while back


    Docking
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    Mineshaft
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    Refinery
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    Summit
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    Tram
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    Veil
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    Keep in mind these are out of date. Some RTs on those have been moved or removed entirely.
  • JediPhreaKJediPhreaK Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167028Members
    Oh right, I'll take some time another day to fix it. Forgot
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2041565:date=Dec 7 2012, 10:56 AM:name=JediPhreaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JediPhreaK @ Dec 7 2012, 10:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041565"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh right, I'll take some time another day to fix it. Forgot<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They look great though. I appreciate the effort!
  • SaltSalt Join Date: 2012-11-21 Member: 172766Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    Here's how you win refinery with marines;

    1. Build phase gate in turbine

    AND YOU'RE DONE.

    Joking's aside, refinery is an open map, a lot of the coridors are open and ontop of that.. it's a very bright map, The coridors are bright, even when the power is out.

    You can see aliens comming from quite the distance.
    Use coordinated attacks with shotguns, build forward bases like armories etc..

    Get a competent team and you're more than able to win, any map really.
    The problem is with getting a competent team, and that's also a problem a lot of people need to take into consideration, a map isn't just 'favored' to one team or the other, none of the maps are, Aliens aren't overpowered, Marines aren't overpowered, you just need better players.
  • Champlo0Champlo0 Join Date: 2012-04-17 Member: 150617Members
    I'm making a video about map balance this weekend to point out these problems. Anyone who wants to chime in can add me on steam
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2041539:date=Dec 7 2012, 11:04 AM:name=JediPhreaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JediPhreaK @ Dec 7 2012, 11:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041539"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->@ Zek I made these a while back


    Docking
    <a href="http://postimage.org/image/6n7plh467/" target="_blank"><img src="http://s19.postimage.org/6n7plh467/ns2_map_docking.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>

    Mineshaft
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    Refinery
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    Summit
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    Tram
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    Veil
    <a href="http://postimage.org/image/ge9mp6s0v/" target="_blank"><img src="http://s19.postimage.org/ge9mp6s0v/ns2_map_veil.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you mind if I put these on the NS2 wiki? I haven't actually been able to find pictures like this anywhere. Please post these somewhere visible when you make updated versions!
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