Bad framerate

ZenuZenu Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72861Members, Reinforced - Shadow
edited November 2012 in Technical Support
Hi,

I thought that I have quite good computer but the framerate in NS2 is almost unbearable. I have around 30-50 fps most of the times and sometimes it drops even more and makes shooting skilled skulks very difficult.

My system specs are:
Intel i7 930 2.8 GHz
AMD Radeon 5850 1 GB
12 GB 1600MHz DDR3 ram
Asus P6T Deluxe V2 mobo

I have tried to put all setttings to minimum but it doesn't change it much. Next I'm going to try to move the game to SSD drive to see if it works better there.

What kind of system do you need to get stable 60 fps ???? I feel that I have better fps in more graphically demanding games, like Arma 2.

Comments

  • goblingoblin Join Date: 2004-09-05 Member: 31412Members
    edited November 2012
    i5 2500k
    HD 7870
    4 GB ram
    win 7 64 bits
    1080p res

    fps >60 almost all the time

    try to change the resolution down, I had a 5770 and was playing at 720p

    type r_stats at the console. Below your fps there will be "x ms waiting for GPU".

    if x > 0, your GPU is the bottleneck, else your CPU

    also, try to disable your antivirus while playing and set NS2.exe process to high priority
  • GenomaxterGenomaxter Join Date: 2003-10-11 Member: 21597Members
    edited November 2012
    I run at 60-180fps in game. It "bogs" down to 60 in fights, outside of that, roaming the halls i get between 90-140 with moments as high as 180 fps. I run at 1600x980 res with a lot of the affects turned off. Textures is at max and I turn off verticle sync.

    AMD FX8150 (O.C. to 4.1-4.5 ghz, run 4.1 since I see no increase going higher)
    water cooled Swifttech Apogee HD CPU block (custom system)
    AMD HD 6850
    8 gig G-Skill Ripjaw DDR3 2000 (pc3 16000)
    Ocz vertex 4 120gig SSD x 2
    Windows 8
    Asus Sabertooth mb
    Asus VG278HE 144hz monitor (waiting for AMD HD 8000 so the fps can keep up)
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited November 2012
    2.8ghz is not enough, I have 3ghz Core 2 Quad and performance about the same as yours. I imagine this is because NS2 does not have proper multi-core support yet as it uses about 25% CPU for me sometimes, but in order to play properly you need at least a 4ghz core clock.
  • ZenuZenu Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72861Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    On empty server i have 1-3 ms waiting for render thread. On the upper thing there is 0 ms. I'm now wondering would new gpu be enough or should i buy whole new rig... Current one is only 2 years old so wouldn't want to buy new computer already to enjoy this game to max :-/.

    edit: But this was on lowest quality. If I put everything to max I start to see around 5ms in just menu screen for GPU and 11 for CPU apparently. Meh.
  • rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
    I can pull 60 minimum at almost all times now at 2560. Everything in my system is oc'd and on beta drivers though. This game is a bear to run.
  • stoudtcostoudtco Join Date: 2005-03-26 Member: 46554Members
    I two have been experiencing bad FPS, however it has only started since the recent patch.
    Everything ran perfectly fine with all settings on high at all times, but now my frame rate has taken a huge hit and is almost unplayable anymore.
    Updated my drivers and turned the setting down and its still awlful
  • ZenuZenu Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72861Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Maybe the engine needs some optimization. Don't see how this game is so much more demanding for PC than say TF2.
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    edited November 2012
    i had i5 750 @ 2.7ghz and had similar framerate.

    unless i'm mistaken, 5850 is a very old card and only about ~20% inc framerate over my old card which was hd4890.


    i upgraded to a 7950 and got a new cpu heatsink to replace old stock one, now able to overclock my i5 750 to 3.5ghz and it's 50C max temp (with stock cooler at stock speed it was getting 70-80C). now my framerate is fantastic - never below 50fps with the settings maxed out, usually steady at >70fps.


    regarding the above comment about tf2.... wtf? this game is way more demanding than tf2 - tf2 is like 3-4 years old and looks it... i love the asthetics of tf2 - but it's still very simple and bland - it's the simple clarity which i like in tf2, makes it easier to spot enemies and eliminates randomness.
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited November 2012
    what I get

    <a href="http://puu.sh/1srgW" target="_blank">http://puu.sh/1srgW</a>

    <a href="http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/920120753268586669/CB2CF585C29AF56964F4FB3B9E3AA9A8978E66D7/" target="_blank">http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/92012075...3AA9A8978E66D7/</a>

    dat optimization

    waiting for GPU never goes past 0 rofl.

    Keep in mind steam uses like 15-20% as well.
  • PHJFPHJF Join Date: 2005-07-13 Member: 55898Members
    Yeah I also run a Q6600 at 3.0 and it's fine for early-mid games but can't keep up in a 24 player server or particularly large end-game battles. As much as I love NS2 it needs to be running a LOT better than it is.
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030429:date=Nov 20 2012, 08:46 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Nov 20 2012, 08:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030429"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->what I get

    <a href="http://puu.sh/1srgW" target="_blank">http://puu.sh/1srgW</a>

    <a href="http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/920120753268586669/CB2CF585C29AF56964F4FB3B9E3AA9A8978E66D7/" target="_blank">http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/92012075...3AA9A8978E66D7/</a>

    dat optimization

    waiting for GPU never goes past 0 rofl.

    Keep in mind steam uses like 15-20% as well.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    neo have you checked your cpu temp? because that seriously looks like it could be overheating and throttling down...

    if not, get realtemp (handy free program) and check it out.


    i got a massive fps boost with i5 750 @2.7ghz after installing my new hd7950, like 100% more fps over my old hd4890... then afterwards i overclocked my i5 750 to 3.5ghz, it only yielded a 10-20% increase in fps. ergo seems like your cpu is underperforming.
  • SopsSops Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17894Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2030294:date=Nov 20 2012, 01:53 PM:name=Zenu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zenu @ Nov 20 2012, 01:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030294"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->On empty server i have 1-3 ms waiting for render thread. On the upper thing there is 0 ms. I'm now wondering would new gpu be enough or should i buy whole new rig... Current one is only 2 years old so wouldn't want to buy new computer already to enjoy this game to max :-/.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have a 2.8Ghz Phenom II x4 820 overclocked to 3.5Ghz and I run the game smoothly, if you are really considering upgrading why not just overclock what you have first? Even if you brake something you are no worse off.
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030497:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:43 PM:name=tarquinbb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tarquinbb @ Nov 20 2012, 05:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030497"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->neo have you checked your cpu temp? because that seriously looks like it could be overheating and throttling down...

    if not, get realtemp (handy free program) and check it out.


    i got a massive fps boost with i5 750 @2.7ghz after installing my new hd7950, like 100% more fps over my old hd4890... then afterwards i overclocked my i5 750 to 3.5ghz, it only yielded a 10-20% increase in fps. ergo seems like your cpu is underperforming.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Temperature is right there on the bottom right corner of that picture of my screen. Unless you have something set it won't "throttle down" either, it's acting as it should. 70c is good enough for a Q6600. I can run Unreal Engine 3 games like Tribes for example easily, at 70-80fps.
  • ZeframZefram Join Date: 2004-05-11 Member: 28611Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts, Retired Community Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=2030403:date=Nov 20 2012, 02:17 PM:name=stoudtco)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoudtco @ Nov 20 2012, 02:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030403"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I two have been experiencing bad FPS, however it has only started since the recent patch. Everything ran perfectly fine with all settings on high at all times, but now my frame rate has taken a huge hit and is almost unplayable anymore. Updated my drivers and turned the setting down and its still awlful<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm having the same problem with this build. Pre-230, I was playing @ 1920x1200 with everything on high or on, except ambient occlusion and shadows. Those were left off. Frames rates were always (mid and late game included) between 50-80 fps. Fairly acceptable and playable. Build 230 comes along and often times in mid to late game situations, my frame rates tank into the single digits. It's a slideshow. I tried lowering or turning off every graphics option, even turning textures on medium with those settings, still did not help.

    i7 920 @ 3.4Ghz
    Ati 6950
    Raid 0 Velociraptors

    Something is funny about Build 230 on my system.
  • ZenuZenu Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72861Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    I'll try to overclock my system. Definitely not going to buy new system already when all other games run satisfactorily. :p

    update: I oc'd to 3.5 GHz and after playing few games it seems like my performance issues are gone, dunno if something changed in the 231 patch too though.
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    Moving to Tech Support.
  • waflzwaflz Join Date: 2012-09-07 Member: 158459Members
    Its an issue with the game itself, not your computer.

    - see *Performance issues
  • GorgenapperGorgenapper Join Date: 2012-09-05 Member: 157916Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2030535:date=Nov 20 2012, 05:10 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Nov 20 2012, 05:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030535"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Temperature is right there on the bottom right corner of that picture of my screen. Unless you have something set it won't "throttle down" either, it's acting as it should. 70c is good enough for a Q6600. I can run Unreal Engine 3 games like Tribes for example easily, at 70-80fps.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What do you run your Q6600 at? I have mine set to 355 x 9 (3195) with a 1.35 VCore. Any tips on how much more I can reliably push it? I have a Zalman air cooler (Performa or something).
  • kain80kain80 Join Date: 2012-11-21 Member: 172765Members
    bad framerate for me too:

    specs are:
    OS: WIN8 x64
    CPU: AMD PhenomII 960T (X4 3Ghz)
    GPU: nVidia GTX 560Ti OC

    in menu with high details frame counter is at 120fps, in game progresively frame rate drops to unplayable rates.

    I've tried to disable shadows, putting low details to everything, same problem. Running .exe with high priority doesnt help.

    Can play every game without problems , just for example BF3 at high details in large maps runs smooth...
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    <!--quoteo(post=2030535:date=Nov 20 2012, 02:10 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Nov 20 2012, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030535"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I can run Unreal Engine 3 games like Tribes for example easily, at 70-80fps.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Unreal engine 3 is an engine that is a decade old and worked on by teams of people solely dedicated to refining the engine with an unbelievable budget and publishers/support, polished over many years through dozens of games..
    Same with all the BF3 references.. that company (DICE) had 280 employees not counting the teams that assisted from their publisher, EA, and the almost unlimited budget.

    Why would you compare this to an indie engine created by one man? :scratches head:
    <i>UWE has 7 employees.</i>

    Not saying you should expect poor performance or be okay with it as a consumer, but stating a comparison between the these engines in regards to performance is a bit unrealistic when all things are considered..

    That all being said, i've seen enough "drop in performance" reports for the latest patch that it should be looked into..
    Feel free to contribute plogs for the devs to consider and optimize from:
    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=123695" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=123695</a>
  • StardogStardog Join Date: 2004-10-25 Member: 32448Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030415:date=Nov 20 2012, 03:27 PM:name=Zenu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zenu @ Nov 20 2012, 03:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030415"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't see how this game is so much more demanding for PC than say TF2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you kidding? TF2 runs on an 8 year-old engine. The environment shadows can't even move (hence why it runs smooth). The lights in NS2 are all dynamic.

    I would be surprised if putting everything on minimum had no effect.

    The image effects like Ambient Occlusion may perform worse the higher the resolution is, so try turning that off, or lowering your res to 1600x900 or 1280x720.
  • FunkyMikeFunkyMike Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167455Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2031915:date=Nov 21 2012, 11:04 PM:name=ironhorse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ironhorse @ Nov 21 2012, 11:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2031915"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Unreal engine 3 is an engine that is a decade old and worked on by teams of people solely dedicated to refining the engine with an unbelievable budget and publishers/support, polished over many years through dozens of games..
    Same with all the BF3 references.. that company (DICE) had 280 employees not counting the teams that assisted from their publisher, EA, and the almost unlimited budget.

    Why would you compare this to an indie engine created by one man? :scratches head:
    <i>UWE has 7 employees.</i>

    Not saying you should expect poor performance or be okay with it as a consumer, but stating a comparison between the these engines in regards to performance is a bit unrealistic when all things are considered..

    That all being said, i've seen enough "drop in performance" reports for the latest patch that it should be looked into..
    Feel free to contribute plogs for the devs to consider and optimize from:
    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=123695" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=123695</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Iron with all respect why doesn't the team bring in people to help work on the engine now that the product is out the doors.
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