<!--quoteo(post=2014802:date=Nov 8 2012, 01:43 AM:name=MzMz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MzMz @ Nov 8 2012, 01:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014802"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->GG = GET GOOD<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sometimes when I'm commanding Marines, in the middle of the match I'll say
gl hf
and then the aliens will be like whaa
and then their base is blowing up, and I'll clarify
<!--quoteo(post=2014823:date=Nov 7 2012, 08:58 PM:name=godrifle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (godrifle @ Nov 7 2012, 08:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014823"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sometimes when I'm commanding Marines, in the middle of the match I'll say
gl hf
and then the aliens will be like whaa
and then their base is blowing up, and I'll clarify
grenade launchers have fun<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes you are getting old. no offense. i would say, GG has been used too much that some may have twisted the meaning a bit. but it is not un-understandable.
internet language has been loose and flexible anyway.
No one hardly ever said gg in NS1 unless it was a really great, long game. Now it seems it's used every match and weird expressions such as OP topic are appearing.
<!--quoteo(post=2014466:date=Nov 7 2012, 05:26 PM:name=Superfly)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Superfly @ Nov 7 2012, 05:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014466"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Back in the original Half-Life (pick your mod) it was very common and polite to say "gg" (translated as Good Game) after the end of around. I've never seen the equivalent on consoles (i'm sure due to the lack of keyboard).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not to mention a lack of manners, snerk snerk snerk.
Call me extra old school but I prefer to type words rather then abbreviations. People typing 'gg' often type it when they have smashed the other team, as some kind of salt to rub in their wounds.
<!--quoteo(post=2014787:date=Nov 7 2012, 05:33 PM:name=Daemonlaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Daemonlaud @ Nov 7 2012, 05:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014787"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->GG is well, GG.
<b>It's from StarCraft.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhh, No? GG was used in games before SC, because you know, back then, that's just what people did in multiplayer games, like in Quake, UT, Doom, Descent, etc. , and most of the annoying players would avoid saying it usually.
Hell, even Unreal Tournament 2004 had a whole loading screen hint that said "Practice good sportsmanship - you were a noob once too." In fact I think this is one of the reasons so many people have such fond memories of the older multiplayer games they played, because the people they played with they would end up making friends with a lot of the time, unlike the hate-spewing kids you get over most modern games now.
That's something I find kinda funny, games like Quake, Tribes, UT, Descent, and other games like them were some of the most competitive games ever made, and all sorts of people, even amazing players, used to be so polite online. Now you get a player in a newer game that points and shoots a gun at you with almost no effort and you get "OHHHHH YOU SUCK BRO GO KILL YOURSELF"
<!--quoteo(post=2014489:date=Nov 7 2012, 05:41 PM:name=Reeke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reeke @ Nov 7 2012, 05:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014489"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Call me picky, but I only say GG if it actually was a GOOD game. If im on a team thats stacked, we stomp the enemy and I end up with a high k/d ratio... I'm not going to GG that. To me a GG is reserved for an even, hard fought match.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is also how I feel about it.
<!--quoteo(post=2014448:date=Nov 7 2012, 05:18 PM:name=sirshorty)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sirshorty @ Nov 7 2012, 05:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014448"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and played only console games, where you didn't use keyboard or mouse.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You'd be surprised how many people used a mouse and keyboard.. USB devices work on consoles.
I tried moving to console mostly to avoid hackers.. but then I encountered both hacking and people using gaming equipment like mouse and keyboard for unfair advantages.. I hate fighting people that can't fight fairly, so I just stopped playing. I probably should sell my console now that I think about it.. there's probably someone that can use it. :o
people who says "gg" after a complete stomp is just annoying the losing team, beacause there is nothing "good" about uneven retard teams.
he who thinks he's polite saying "gg" after complete uneven stomp match, you are wrong, so very wrong, it's quite the opposite, you could as well say "FU loser noobs", because that's the same meaning if you're saying it's "good game" even if it's not, let me explain, because "good game" is refer to if game is actually even game and both teams strugles for winning the other, if it's a complete stomp over other team, i don't see anything good about it, no matter am i in winning or losing side, it's not fun, so the only reason to say it's a good game is being sarcastic and trying to annoy other team for bad play.
and therefore everytime it's a badgame, i say bg if anyone else says gg, because simply it's not a goodgame, there's nothing polite in "gg" unless it really is a "gg"
<!--quoteo(post=2014783:date=Nov 8 2012, 02:28 AM:name=Ketamine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ketamine @ Nov 8 2012, 02:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014783"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Having seen it in competitive Starcraft matches first, it is only said if the game has come to an end, said by the losing player as a way of declaring surrender. As such, the use of GG in some NS2 matches I've been in has sometimes been premature, said by the winning team even, which is considered impolite. You're basically saying "It's over, stop trying, game over", you're rubbing it in. I prefer saying well played, leaving GG to starcraft.
I always thought musings on why a certain gamer "culture" lexicon exists or is used in a certain way is a bit of a waste of time. Especially since English tends to get distended because of non-native speakers and annoying fads.
Oh, and we're also part of the culture that uses the "F" word and the "N" word quite liberally.
I have never seen "gg" or "glhf" go out of use yet or change much really. I admit, though, in recent years, "gg" gets used a lot before the end of a round or game because one person/team is sure of their victory -- resulting it being kind of boasting. I most often used it with games around that time though: NS1, CS, Delta Force, Tribes (though everyone usually spams voice comm and Shazbot), Rogue Spear, etc. It kind of happened around then because of the huge influx of great multiplayer gaming. Mid to late 90s...
You know what really bothers me? When people say "plox" or "plx" for please. That's irritating; especially when people began chatting in shorthand over IRC or ICQ or (what have you) -- it's always been "plz". The Z at least makes the correct phoneme (distinctive sound) for the word please. Just like an X in "thx".
How could you ever abandon PC gaming? So many great experiences you missed out on. I have been a console gamer alongside the computer...but the keyboard is where I'm usually found. I can understand if you have your own family though, I haven't been able to spend as much time as I have before since the baby.
<!--quoteo(post=2014783:date=Nov 8 2012, 02:28 AM:name=Ketamine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ketamine @ Nov 8 2012, 02:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014783"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How is that belittling your rival? Maybe if you say "LOL GG PWNT".. but "good game" has been around wayyy before the internet existed. It's not crap talking, it's part of every type of competitive game. You should be able to lose and not be sour about it, and you should be able to win without talking crap, no matter the circumstances. If everyone says gg, there is no 'belittling'.. it's simply acknowledgement of a game that happened where one team one and the other lost, and now you go on to round two.
If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.
If my original post offended you, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the whole round has been a one sided affair it's the same as going "LOL PWNT", it's up to the losing team to actually go "gg". If it's actually been a good game and the losing team does not gg than they are just sore losers.
And gg might have been around way before the internet existed, but the internet and MP gaming also gave it a new meaning. In traditional sports, teams are usually even and the sole difference is in ability of the players. But this does not apply to MP videogames where one side often can end up at a serve disadvantage with no fault of their own (quitters, teamstacking). In that situation it's customary to acknowledge that the other team had been at an disadvantage and could just as well have won the round if it wouldn't have been for the differences in team sizes or massive differences in player ability.
I'm also not playing for "different reasons" than you, i play mostly for fun (but fun can mean different things to different people) but i do not consider a long dragged out round with all odds against my team "fun", i consider it a waste of everybody's time.
The winning team couldn't improve their gameplay because the enemy team couldn't deliver a challenge, the losing team couldn't improve their gameplay because the winning team might have outclassed so much that they don't even understand where to start looking for improvements.
Sure i might go "well played" but i reserve the usage of "gg" for actual good games and not just any round. And why should you have offended me? I'm just sharing my view on the usage of "gg". What offends me is when a heavily stacked winning team with 3+ extra players goes "gg" after dragging a one-sided round on for 20+ minutes, because that kind of gg'ing is belittling in the way i described above. In that situation i would rather like the winning team go "well played, you guys put up quite a fight for being so outnumbered" but that would require people having an certain awareness of why the round went the way it did, most players sadly lack that kind of awareness.
<!--quoteo(post=2015453:date=Nov 8 2012, 03:53 PM:name=Josh86)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh86 @ Nov 8 2012, 03:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015453"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You know what really bothers me? When people say "plox" or "plx" for please. That's irritating; especially when people began chatting in shorthand over IRC or ICQ or (what have you) -- it's always been "plz". The Z at least makes the correct phoneme (distinctive sound) for the word please. Just like an X in "thx".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Haha i'm one of those people that use "plx" because it sounds kinda funny, i also noticed that it's mostly people that are not native English speakers using it. Maybe it has to do with the switched positions of the Z and Y key on keyboards? Because the X is right next to where the Z is located on QWERTY keyboards, on QWERTZ keybords hitting the Z key more awkward compared to hitting the X. That's at least one theory, but i and most people i know mostly use it like some kind of meme because it sounds funny.
<!--quoteo(post=2014783:date=Nov 8 2012, 04:28 AM:name=Ketamine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ketamine @ Nov 8 2012, 04:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014783"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's just dumb.
"not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun."
But you had no fun. And if you don't give a sh*t, what's the point of saying GG? Obviously not because the game was good.
"It's just customary."
No, it's not. You're making it customary because you like to think you're being polite or above them or something. You can keep doing that, but nobody can see your agenda behind your gg. They will just see you gg:ing after getting absolutely annihilated and think you're dumb or sarcastic.
<!--quoteo(post=2015469:date=Nov 8 2012, 07:06 AM:name=Mestaritonttu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mestaritonttu @ Nov 8 2012, 07:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015469"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's just dumb.
"not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun."
But you had no fun. And if you don't give a sh*t, what's the point of saying GG? Obviously not because the game was good.
"It's just customary."
No, it's not. You're making it customary because you like to think you're being polite or above them or something. You can keep doing that, but nobody can see your agenda behind your gg. They will just see you gg:ing after getting absolutely annihilated and think you're dumb or sarcastic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I lose a tight match "GG" = That was a good game.... I get crushed "GG" = you had a good game. I do the crushing "GG" = I had a good game! So what's the point of my post? I do gg anyways just as a habit, since this is an RTS at heart. Plus, next game when we all switch sides I often end up with half of the other team now on my team.
<!--quoteo(post=2015573:date=Nov 8 2012, 05:44 PM:name=Chuck7)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chuck7 @ Nov 8 2012, 05:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015573"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If I lose a tight match "GG" = That was a good game.... I get crushed "GG" = you had a good game. I do the crushing "GG" = I had a good game! So what's the point of my post? I do gg anyways just as a habit, since this is an RTS at heart. Plus, next game when we all switch sides I often end up with half of the other team now on my team.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well with that kind of logic you could just as well say "bacon is great" at the end of every game, it has about the same relevance like using "gg" no matter what. So how about we all just go "bacon is great" in the case of a bad game? :P
Hm, I remember when in 2002 old days, not saying "gg" at the end of the game was exactly the same thing as rage quitting.
It's just a gamer way to say goodbye, that's it
I see it as a polite thing to write when you leave a server, and should not really be more. I also use "very good game" when the game was good enough to stay in my mind.
<!--quoteo(post=2015595:date=Nov 8 2012, 08:58 AM:name=rebirth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rebirth @ Nov 8 2012, 08:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015595"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well with that kind of logic you could just as well say "bacon is great" at the end of every game, it has about the same relevance like using "gg" no matter what. So how about we all just go "bacon is great" in the case of a bad game? :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
GG is much quicker to type. And as the poster said above, its a gaming way of typing Good Bye. Why fix something that isn't broken? Luckily a fair amount of people do it, so it doesn't matter if half don't do it, because no one checks this kind of thing. As long as one person responds with GG then its all good.
<!--quoteo(post=2015595:date=Nov 8 2012, 12:58 PM:name=rebirth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rebirth @ Nov 8 2012, 12:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015595"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well with that kind of logic you could just as well say "bacon is great" at the end of every game, it has about the same relevance like using "gg" no matter what. So how about we all just go "bacon is great" in the case of a bad game? :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The literal meaning of the "GG" is irrelevant, it's just proper etiquette. It's about being a good sport and acknowledging that the other team beat you fair and square, i.e. no hard feelings. To be aware of that etiquette and choose not to say it demonstrates that you're butthurt about the loss or just aren't a very sociable person, which diminishes the fun of the game for everybody.
I like it as a kind of a online handshake. No big deal either way, but I don't mind a bit of online sportsmanship etiquette exists. In general people turn out nasty over the Internet when you're not face to face with anyone, so it's quite nice to see movement to the opposite direction also.
If the game was really awesome and all that, I sure can add up something to the gg to express that also.
The worst is when we get beat badly, I say GG when the game ends, and somebody on my team complains at me for saying it. Like just the thought of other people not being as upset as them is abhorrent to them. How petty can you get?
<!--quoteo(post=2014783:date=Nov 7 2012, 08:28 PM:name=Ketamine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ketamine @ Nov 7 2012, 08:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014783"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How is that belittling your rival? Maybe if you say "LOL GG PWNT".. but "good game" has been around wayyy before the internet existed. It's not crap talking, it's part of every type of competitive game. You should be able to lose and not be sour about it, and you should be able to win without talking crap, no matter the circumstances. If everyone says gg, there is no 'belittling'.. it's simply acknowledgement of a game that happened where one team one and the other lost, and now you go on to round two.
If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.
If my original post offended you, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just dragging this post forward, with sports as a reference sure saying 'gg' is fine.
However online games don't have referees, they are more like 5 a side football. There are rules, then there are 'rules'. A code of conduct. Stretching the rules to your favour, doing ######-ish things to throw off the team and other irritating practices are all things that fall into the realm of 'bad game'.
I wouldn't shake someones hand who was making the game unenjoyable.
<!--quoteo(post=2015649:date=Nov 8 2012, 10:03 AM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Nov 8 2012, 10:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015649"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just dragging this post forward, with sports as a reference sure saying 'gg' is fine.
However online games don't have referees, they are more like 5 a side football. There are rules, then there are 'rules'. A code of conduct. Stretching the rules to your favour, doing ######-ish things to throw off the team and other irritating practices are all things that fall into the realm of 'bad game'.
I wouldn't shake someones hand who was making the game unenjoyable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well yeah, if they were exploiting or talking crap the whole game. I won't give a gg. But if they just kicked my ass, I gg and move on with my life. We all have great victories and crushing defeats, as long as it was within the rules I accept it.(Sure I rage quietly lol)
<!--quoteo(post=2015658:date=Nov 8 2012, 01:09 PM:name=Chuck7)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chuck7 @ Nov 8 2012, 01:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015658"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well yeah, if they were exploiting or talking crap the whole game. I won't give a gg. But if they just kicked my ass, I gg and move on with my life. We all have great victories and crushing defeats, as long as it was within the rules I accept it.(Sure I rage quietly lol)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Would you consider spamming a known overpowered unit to be a bad game? I would. It falls within the game rules though.
<!--quoteo(post=2015717:date=Nov 8 2012, 11:11 AM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Nov 8 2012, 11:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015717"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Would you consider spamming a known overpowered unit to be a bad game? I would. It falls within the game rules though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No I don't. However if they found a glitch where you could make 3 onos for the price of one, then yes that is bad! But onos rushing is just part of the game, hate it or love it. So I get upset because we lost, but hold no personal quarrel against them for using it. I have won as marines against big rushes, and have lost against them. Just how it goes for this current build of the game.
<!--quoteo(post=2015624:date=Nov 8 2012, 08:27 PM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zek @ Nov 8 2012, 08:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015624"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The literal meaning of the "GG" is irrelevant, it's just proper etiquette. It's about being a good sport and acknowledging that the other team beat you fair and square, i.e. no hard feelings. To be aware of that etiquette and choose not to say it demonstrates that you're butthurt about the loss or just aren't a very sociable person, which diminishes the fun of the game for everybody.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--quoteo(post=2015637:date=Nov 8 2012, 08:40 PM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zek @ Nov 8 2012, 08:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015637"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The worst is when we get beat badly, I say GG when the game ends, and somebody on my team complains at me for saying it. Like just the thought of other people not being as upset as them is abhorrent to them. How petty can you get?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's two errors in your reasoning.
First, there's no such thing as GG etiquette. Everything you say after that in the topmost quote doesn't exist. You're making it up.
Second, your definition of a fair game is waaaaaayyyy off. If you pit a grandmaster against a beginner, it is not a fair game. They can play by the rules, neither one cheats, but it still doesn't become a fair game. I don't know if I can explain it, because there is a line to be drawn. I'll try: Skill is an asset just as much as any other advantage. If you have an overwhelming amount of it, the game becomes unfair.
The line is where the beginner has so little chance of ever achieving anything against the grandmaster, that he doesn't get to improve, because there is nothing to improve upon - he doesn't even get to try before being annihilated. There's no challenge for the beginner, because he's being crushed, and there's no challenge for the grandmaster, because he is owning someone.
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Sometimes when I'm commanding Marines, in the middle of the match I'll say
gl hf
and then the aliens will be like whaa
and then their base is blowing up, and I'll clarify
grenade launchers have fun
gl hf
and then the aliens will be like whaa
and then their base is blowing up, and I'll clarify
grenade launchers have fun<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I will be doing this next game I comm.
internet language has been loose and flexible anyway.
...And yes, we're getting old.
Not to mention a lack of manners, snerk snerk snerk.
<b>It's from StarCraft.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhh, No? GG was used in games before SC, because you know, back then, that's just what people did in multiplayer games, like in Quake, UT, Doom, Descent, etc. , and most of the annoying players would avoid saying it usually.
Hell, even Unreal Tournament 2004 had a whole loading screen hint that said "Practice good sportsmanship - you were a noob once too." In fact I think this is one of the reasons so many people have such fond memories of the older multiplayer games they played, because the people they played with they would end up making friends with a lot of the time, unlike the hate-spewing kids you get over most modern games now.
That's something I find kinda funny, games like Quake, Tribes, UT, Descent, and other games like them were some of the most competitive games ever made, and all sorts of people, even amazing players, used to be so polite online. Now you get a player in a newer game that points and shoots a gun at you with almost no effort and you get "OHHHHH YOU SUCK BRO GO KILL YOURSELF"
Agree with a few 'old school' players above.... I always say GG when I think it's been a good, fair game.
This is also how I feel about it.
<!--quoteo(post=2014448:date=Nov 7 2012, 05:18 PM:name=sirshorty)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sirshorty @ Nov 7 2012, 05:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014448"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and played only console games, where you didn't use keyboard or mouse.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You'd be surprised how many people used a mouse and keyboard.. USB devices work on consoles.
I tried moving to console mostly to avoid hackers.. but then I encountered both hacking and people using gaming equipment like mouse and keyboard for unfair advantages.. I hate fighting people that can't fight fairly, so I just stopped playing. I probably should sell my console now that I think about it.. there's probably someone that can use it. :o
he who thinks he's polite saying "gg" after complete uneven stomp match, you are wrong, so very wrong, it's quite the opposite, you could as well say "FU loser noobs", because that's the same meaning if you're saying it's "good game" even if it's not, let me explain, because "good game" is refer to if game is actually even game and both teams strugles for winning the other, if it's a complete stomp over other team, i don't see anything good about it, no matter am i in winning or losing side, it's not fun, so the only reason to say it's a good game is being sarcastic and trying to annoy other team for bad play.
and therefore everytime it's a badgame, i say bg if anyone else says gg, because simply it's not a goodgame, there's nothing polite in "gg" unless it really is a "gg"
Well said, Ketamine, well said. :3
As such, the use of GG in some NS2 matches I've been in has sometimes been premature, said by the winning team even, which is considered impolite.
You're basically saying "It's over, stop trying, game over", you're rubbing it in.
I prefer saying well played, leaving GG to starcraft.
Oh, and we're also part of the culture that uses the "F" word and the "N" word quite liberally.
You know what really bothers me? When people say "plox" or "plx" for please. That's irritating; especially when people began chatting in shorthand over IRC or ICQ or (what have you) -- it's always been "plz". The Z at least makes the correct phoneme (distinctive sound) for the word please. Just like an X in "thx".
How could you ever abandon PC gaming? So many great experiences you missed out on. I have been a console gamer alongside the computer...but the keyboard is where I'm usually found. I can understand if you have your own family though, I haven't been able to spend as much time as I have before since the baby.
If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.
If my original post offended you, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the whole round has been a one sided affair it's the same as going "LOL PWNT", it's up to the losing team to actually go "gg". If it's actually been a good game and the losing team does not gg than they are just sore losers.
And gg might have been around way before the internet existed, but the internet and MP gaming also gave it a new meaning. In traditional sports, teams are usually even and the sole difference is in ability of the players. But this does not apply to MP videogames where one side often can end up at a serve disadvantage with no fault of their own (quitters, teamstacking). In that situation it's customary to acknowledge that the other team had been at an disadvantage and could just as well have won the round if it wouldn't have been for the differences in team sizes or massive differences in player ability.
I'm also not playing for "different reasons" than you, i play mostly for fun (but fun can mean different things to different people) but i do not consider a long dragged out round with all odds against my team "fun", i consider it a waste of everybody's time.
The winning team couldn't improve their gameplay because the enemy team couldn't deliver a challenge, the losing team couldn't improve their gameplay because the winning team might have outclassed so much that they don't even understand where to start looking for improvements.
Sure i might go "well played" but i reserve the usage of "gg" for actual good games and not just any round. And why should you have offended me? I'm just sharing my view on the usage of "gg". What offends me is when a heavily stacked winning team with 3+ extra players goes "gg" after dragging a one-sided round on for 20+ minutes, because that kind of gg'ing is belittling in the way i described above. In that situation i would rather like the winning team go "well played, you guys put up quite a fight for being so outnumbered" but that would require people having an certain awareness of why the round went the way it did, most players sadly lack that kind of awareness.
<!--quoteo(post=2015453:date=Nov 8 2012, 03:53 PM:name=Josh86)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh86 @ Nov 8 2012, 03:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015453"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You know what really bothers me? When people say "plox" or "plx" for please. That's irritating; especially when people began chatting in shorthand over IRC or ICQ or (what have you) -- it's always been "plz". The Z at least makes the correct phoneme (distinctive sound) for the word please. Just like an X in "thx".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Haha i'm one of those people that use "plx" because it sounds kinda funny, i also noticed that it's mostly people that are not native English speakers using it. Maybe it has to do with the switched positions of the Z and Y key on keyboards? Because the X is right next to where the Z is located on QWERTY keyboards, on QWERTZ keybords hitting the Z key more awkward compared to hitting the X. That's at least one theory, but i and most people i know mostly use it like some kind of meme because it sounds funny.
That's just dumb.
"not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun."
But you had no fun. And if you don't give a sh*t, what's the point of saying GG? Obviously not because the game was good.
"It's just customary."
No, it's not. You're making it customary because you like to think you're being polite or above them or something. You can keep doing that, but nobody can see your agenda behind your gg. They will just see you gg:ing after getting absolutely annihilated and think you're dumb or sarcastic.
"not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun."
But you had no fun. And if you don't give a sh*t, what's the point of saying GG? Obviously not because the game was good.
"It's just customary."
No, it's not. You're making it customary because you like to think you're being polite or above them or something. You can keep doing that, but nobody can see your agenda behind your gg. They will just see you gg:ing after getting absolutely annihilated and think you're dumb or sarcastic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I lose a tight match "GG" = That was a good game.... I get crushed "GG" = you had a good game. I do the crushing "GG" = I had a good game! So what's the point of my post? I do gg anyways just as a habit, since this is an RTS at heart. Plus, next game when we all switch sides I often end up with half of the other team now on my team.
Well with that kind of logic you could just as well say "bacon is great" at the end of every game, it has about the same relevance like using "gg" no matter what.
So how about we all just go "bacon is great" in the case of a bad game? :P
It's just a gamer way to say goodbye, that's it
I see it as a polite thing to write when you leave a server, and should not really be more. I also use "very good game" when the game was good enough to stay in my mind.
So how about we all just go "bacon is great" in the case of a bad game? :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
GG is much quicker to type. And as the poster said above, its a gaming way of typing Good Bye. Why fix something that isn't broken? Luckily a fair amount of people do it, so it doesn't matter if half don't do it, because no one checks this kind of thing. As long as one person responds with GG then its all good.
So how about we all just go "bacon is great" in the case of a bad game? :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The literal meaning of the "GG" is irrelevant, it's just proper etiquette. It's about being a good sport and acknowledging that the other team beat you fair and square, i.e. no hard feelings. To be aware of that etiquette and choose not to say it demonstrates that you're butthurt about the loss or just aren't a very sociable person, which diminishes the fun of the game for everybody.
If the game was really awesome and all that, I sure can add up something to the gg to express that also.
If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.
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Just dragging this post forward, with sports as a reference sure saying 'gg' is fine.
However online games don't have referees, they are more like 5 a side football. There are rules, then there are 'rules'. A code of conduct. Stretching the rules to your favour, doing ######-ish things to throw off the team and other irritating practices are all things that fall into the realm of 'bad game'.
I wouldn't shake someones hand who was making the game unenjoyable.
However online games don't have referees, they are more like 5 a side football. There are rules, then there are 'rules'. A code of conduct. Stretching the rules to your favour, doing ######-ish things to throw off the team and other irritating practices are all things that fall into the realm of 'bad game'.
I wouldn't shake someones hand who was making the game unenjoyable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well yeah, if they were exploiting or talking crap the whole game. I won't give a gg. But if they just kicked my ass, I gg and move on with my life. We all have great victories and crushing defeats, as long as it was within the rules I accept it.(Sure I rage quietly lol)
Would you consider spamming a known overpowered unit to be a bad game? I would. It falls within the game rules though.
No I don't. However if they found a glitch where you could make 3 onos for the price of one, then yes that is bad! But onos rushing is just part of the game, hate it or love it. So I get upset because we lost, but hold no personal quarrel against them for using it. I have won as marines against big rushes, and have lost against them. Just how it goes for this current build of the game.
<!--quoteo(post=2015637:date=Nov 8 2012, 08:40 PM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zek @ Nov 8 2012, 08:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015637"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The worst is when we get beat badly, I say GG when the game ends, and somebody on my team complains at me for saying it. Like just the thought of other people not being as upset as them is abhorrent to them. How petty can you get?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's two errors in your reasoning.
First, there's no such thing as GG etiquette. Everything you say after that in the topmost quote doesn't exist. You're making it up.
Second, your definition of a fair game is waaaaaayyyy off. If you pit a grandmaster against a beginner, it is not a fair game. They can play by the rules, neither one cheats, but it still doesn't become a fair game. I don't know if I can explain it, because there is a line to be drawn. I'll try: Skill is an asset just as much as any other advantage. If you have an overwhelming amount of it, the game becomes unfair.
The line is where the beginner has so little chance of ever achieving anything against the grandmaster, that he doesn't get to improve, because there is nothing to improve upon - he doesn't even get to try before being annihilated. There's no challenge for the beginner, because he's being crushed, and there's no challenge for the grandmaster, because he is owning someone.