Are Fades Going To Be Buffed ?
TimmahIsASaint
Join Date: 2012-09-24 Member: 160678Members
Join Date: 2012-09-24 Member: 160678Members
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Playing fade is:
"15 seconds of attacking marines, 5 minutes sitting at hive healing."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:O I said that...
But yeah, Fade needs metabolism so it can heal its self...
I feel horribly unproductive to the team when I am at the mercy
of a slow healing hive for 2x longer than I spend actually fighting.
Fades arn't pointless but they do suffer due to:
No metabolism, No focus and Armouries healing armour.
They are designed to hit and run yet they are unable to quickly heal and re-engage and do not have access to focus
meaning that they either have to stay in the fight to do significant damage and risk death or do so little dmg they
may as well not be attacking at all.
may as well not be attacking at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok so almost pointless.
No metabolism, No focus and Armouries healing armour.
They are designed to hit and run yet they are unable to quickly heal and re-engage and do not have access to focus
meaning that they either have to stay in the fight to do significant damage and risk death or do so little dmg they
may as well not be attacking at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The primary reason fades "suffer", is actually that they have 250 less effective hitpoints (50 hp and 100 armor) than the fade did in NS1, even though marine damage output has stayed mostly the same. Unfortunately, with the amount of aliens that can go fade at the same time in any one game increasing drastically due to aliens mostly only spending their pres on lifeforms, it's possible that the fade must be rather weak by necessity.
Also, metabolism would be nice to have back...
I still see fades dominate in pub and competitive games alike, so I think many here are exaggerating. They'll certainly need to be careful with any buff.
In my opinion the reason is the lack of focus. With focus you could actually spend more time dodging around and less time running after marines and getting focus-fired (eh). So instead of a hp/armor buff I'd rather have focus back in some form or another, because it emphasizes the hit'n'run aspect more.
Its simply not worth it, atm fades only job is to roam the map and take out those pesky one or two marines trying to ninja harvesters or upgrade chambers. If not your diving into a group of marines hitting them once and then retreating back to hive.
I blink in, kill a marine, and blink out before I get substantial damage.
The chaos a fade popping in and out provides really helps my team.
Altho I have to admit lerk is better at doing just that, altho you are less likely to survive.
THAT SOUNDS SO KINKY.
This sounds awesome actually- Wow
It's a 3rd hive ability, at which point it will already most likely be game over.
Nice idea, but won't be of much use in most games.
Sounds like metabolize. Metabolize was an excellent ability imo, making the energy management more interesting and giving you something to do in low phases of combat.
Personally, I agree. I prefered the gameplay when armories didn't repair armor. But this is a whole separate discussion and does not belong in this thread. :) If you wish to return to that subject, I suggest a well-written new thread with all the arguments you can muster.
I agree that focus would be the easiest fix. I really feel that the addition of focus could be an easy fix to a few difficult problems in this game. Alternatively a base armour buff might help but focus would make for more exciting play I think.
I would actually love to see focus on the shift hive as I find feign death to be extremely good on fades and hypermutation is just bad when not being abused. It could also replace camouflage because when was the last time anyone used that ability in a serious setting.
Now if you still think fades are too weak then go another life form, you still have 4 to choose from.
That's how good players always played, with caution.
Yeah, thanks. :) I'm just thinking along the lines Fades would perform better if marines didn't rely on Armoury for repairs. That's what made Fades so deadly in NS1, trying to repair eachother while hoping that Fade doesn't return.
How does this make any sense?
4 lifeforms to chose from? No, you have one. Onos and only because it has more hp. How does a skulk which takes the same number of bites to kill a marine as the number of swipes as a fade, with less health more "effective" than a fade? And a lerk who's instagibbed by a shotgun. Gorge? No.
Posts like these are why Aliens are in such a poor shape.
Now if you still think fades are too weak then go another life form, you still have 4 to choose from.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...Really ? how would you feel if your 50 pres exo had the same armour as a lvl 2 marine ???
Fades need more armour ... thats it, they don't need more abiltes (would be nice but can live without) 50 armour on a fade is a joke.
4 lifeforms to chose from? No, you have one. Onos and only because it has more hp. How does a skulk which takes the same number of bites to kill a marine as the number of swipes as a fade, with less health more "effective" than a fade? And a lerk who's instagibbed by a shotgun. Gorge? No.
Posts like these are why Aliens are in such a poor shape.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lerk and Gorge are my favorite lifeforms so having a lack of experience towards Fades, I could be biased or plainly wrong. I find that every lifeform requires a distinct playstyle, which is subclased in more playstyles depending on the choosen upgrades for this lifeform.
Having said that, I'd say that the playstyles of both Skulk and Fades are very similiar in nature. Both lifeforms seems analoge in terms of being both melee, having abilities to close gaps quickly, attack and jump out if possible, ... Vortex seems to make Fades more distinct later on. Skulks are assumed to take out RTs more than Fades, but thats just an investment thing (why pay 50 res to take out RTs over the map when you can do other stuff). Nevertheless, I can see why some people find Fades to be an upgraded version of Skulks, a very expensive one at that.
Again, I could be wrong, I don't like to play Fade myself.
Maybe skulks and fades are analoge to lmgs and shotguns, except for the part that instagibs opponents. :D
I personally don't usually go fade before carapace. With carapace fading is "make a small mistake and lose 50 pres" and without carapace it is "have 2-3 marines look at you at the same time and lose 50 pres". Now, I do know there are players around who can actually use an un-upgraded fade, but I am not quite there yet. I know, I'm a noob :(