Rude Behaviour
RentalCorpse
Join Date: 2012-10-16 Member: 162456Members
Join Date: 2012-10-16 Member: 162456Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Though its rare, its still an issue.</div>We've all had them in other games: ragers, offenders and people who prefer to insult your mother.
Its a semi-rare occurence in Natural Selection 2 seeing as its in beta, which already kind of limits the playerbase and thus people tend to be nicer, but still I've had my fair share of people I would rather not want to play with. Even clanned people (had one just now, but I will refrain from naming & shaming - I admittedly got baited into a reaction which led to me getting somewhat riled up), which is even the more frustrating as I typically expect people who are clanned to be role models or guides for newer players (seeing as they're generally more experienced). Because this kind of toxic behaviour should not go unpunished (not referring to just clanners). But so far I have never seen a player get kicked or banned from a server, or even given a warning, so I was wondering if there are any server moderation/ admin options currently in the game, and if not if there are any plans for them after release.
Thank you for reading my concerns, and feel free to start a discussion.
-RC
Its a semi-rare occurence in Natural Selection 2 seeing as its in beta, which already kind of limits the playerbase and thus people tend to be nicer, but still I've had my fair share of people I would rather not want to play with. Even clanned people (had one just now, but I will refrain from naming & shaming - I admittedly got baited into a reaction which led to me getting somewhat riled up), which is even the more frustrating as I typically expect people who are clanned to be role models or guides for newer players (seeing as they're generally more experienced). Because this kind of toxic behaviour should not go unpunished (not referring to just clanners). But so far I have never seen a player get kicked or banned from a server, or even given a warning, so I was wondering if there are any server moderation/ admin options currently in the game, and if not if there are any plans for them after release.
Thank you for reading my concerns, and feel free to start a discussion.
-RC
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Do explain why you think of me as "uptight". I think my point is very valid.
You must be new here on internet.
Though the forums are not for that kind of stuff.
If you get riled up because someone is raging on public servers, you are the one with a problem.
Ignore them or find another server to play on.
Just keep your anger issues and insults out of the games people want to have fun in.
I'm all for free speech, but keep your anger issues and insults out of the games people want to have fun in.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
May you never play a game that has an allocated budget for mass advertising.
This is really an issue for server admins and how they want to police it.
In the past... jesus how long did I play NS1... *forgets*
Anyway, in the past god knows how many years of commanding Public games I have developed a strategy.
Using a mic doesn't work too well if your team don't trust you, when I want something done I put humorous
insults in-front of my orders in order to get people to listen (it actually works quite well).
Come on you chicken farts get to double...
However in the heat of tense situations and lack of imagination I often to resort to the most insulting words I
can think of, no one normally seems to care as they appreciate I am just stressing the importance of the situation.
However sometimes people do find it offensive, quite annoying actually, and complain I am raging and flaming
actually no... I am just trying to do my best to get a group of people I don't know to do as I ask... Often just asking
nicely doesn't work.
But yeah, sometimes bullying people to do as you say is essential and there is a right way and a wrong way to do it I suppose
if you are going to encourage people to play in this way you sorta have to remember to not actually get angry otherwise... You
just become a raging flamer... xD
Sorry for the really long post there have been a few threads like this I wanted to post this in.
Oh and last time I got REALLY angry in NS was when our comm with 1 rt and no upgrades at 13 mins into the game decided to use
out last 75 res to drop an onos egg and then f4... sadly we almost came back from it... if our comm hadn't screwed us we would have won... xD
- Reduced player rudeness
- Increased chance of admins taking action against perpetrators
- Increased thick skin of players
But I mean I can understand your position don't get me wrong I dislike rude ###### too, but I just ignore them or mute them if I have to. I wish you could block text messages too, so I don't have to read all the stupid remarks from idiots.
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- Increased chance of admins taking action against perpetrators
- Increased thick skin of players<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- reduced snarkiness
great more nerfs
-slightly increased sarcasm
I agree with OP that players should be discouraged from acting like that in some way or another; be it a temp-ban, a kick or whatever.
However, as someone stated, insults are based on the opinion that something is insulting, and not everyone will agree that this person was being insulting.
A good fix for this in the past was the always-successful vote-kick. However, I've been playing games recently where players just flat out refuse to even vote for a kick, so I'm not sure what to do about this particular problem... Still, vote-kick seems worth trying out.
Only competitive multiplayer games have this kind of problem, games I do tend to play a lot, but I'm here hoping the same won't happen to NS2, where the vast majority of the beta playerbase is very pleasant to play with.
<!--quoteo(post=1992262:date=Oct 16 2012, 02:57 PM:name=Reeke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reeke @ Oct 16 2012, 02:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1992262"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Problem is, what constitutes as "rude" is up to personal opinion.
This is really an issue for server admins and how they want to police it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A statement I can fully agree with.
I don't want people to think I'm advocating for a system where anyone who just drops a single insult should get instabanned. I think community servers should be moderated by their own rules. If my first post appeared too elitist its because I wasn't sure what tone to use in my very first post on this forum. I thoroughly enjoy playing this game and I only want to add to the community in a positive way.
I will warn and kick players who make a racist or sexist kind of comment, something clearly inappropriate. It's a social game so there is a minimum social standard I expect to be upheld. It is exceedingly rare though. There are only a handful of times I've ever felt the need to kick someone for that level of behavior. Overwhelmingly people will back down and apologise to those they were abusing.
The one thing I see most often is things being called gá Žay. It's not ok. I will warn and kick people who say it. At the very least, it's the kind of immature prattle that floods so many online games and is immensely boring. I would like to think the NS2 community is above that.
Volcano's response, "Welcome to the internet" is half an answer. Yes, you might be offended by something you hear. The other half of the answer is that being on the internet doesn't license you to be as offensive as you want.
RentalCorpse, I hope this post helped you decide if what happened merits a response from a server admin or not. I wasn't there; you've been short on detail here (perfectly fine) and so I'm not going to judge either way. If you think there's a case to answer for, try and get in touch with a server admin.
Edit: to get around the world filter, I hope the mods understand.
since when, are you now the internet police? people can be as offensive as they want to (which is all relative anyway). they just have to life with the consequences. if they fall within the boundaries of the forum they are in who are you to dictate who says what. just like you have the right to ban/warn/kick on whatever server youre admin on. besides, most people didnt buy the game to play happy happy fun time with some stranger 3000 miles away.
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So who are you then to decide for 'most people' that they don't play a game for fun?
Yeah I agree, consequences. If it were a license, there would be no consequences.
the internet police of course
So, yes. The only thing for you to say is: Try to be a good person yourself and ignore the people who aren't.
€dit: Oh, I have to add something after reading all the posts: As long as so many people think it is normal to be rude on the internet, nothing will ever change.
And that with the argument: "It is this way because it is this way." Very sad.
Fact is, due to the anonymity of the internet, people tend to have much smaller boundaries and some use this for verbal noise. But it is up to you to either ignore or feed the trolls, feeding them usually makes it worse... <b>Taking this into the NS2 realm, you can ignore this with the use of the mute voice system, if they are talking smack through the voice chat and the game has admin tools to kick/ban</b>. If it does go out of control, you have the choice to let it bother you or ignore it (mute button). But in the end it is up to the moderators/admins to deal with it if it does. You as a player can't do anything to stop it, since you do not have the tools to influence them, other than the client-side mute button.
The internet can only be policed in quite a limited way, the same goes for multiplayer games. The most you can do is contact an admin or moderator and let them deal with, that is if it is indeed against community/server rules.
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Typical for a voting system that allows the opposing team to vote, or that counts non-votes as nays.
I don't know what you expected to accomplish by starting a thread about this; you need to learn how to deal with people you don't like as both a online skill and one for real life.
Well one thing that could be taken from this thread is that we do indeed need some kind of player control way to deal with it, when there is no admin to deal with it. Votekick/votemap are basic options of any multiplayer game, but currently is reliant on server mods.