Revert to fresh install? (also includes minor rant)
Luminal
Join Date: 2012-09-10 Member: 158912Members
Join Date: 2012-09-10 Member: 158912Members
Hello all, sorry in advance as this is another performance issue thread. I've been in the beta for probably about a year but in all that time I've not seen any increase in performance which confused me as people kept saying 'it gets better every patch' - regardless I was wondering if maybe there was a way to revert to fresh install without re-downloading to see if it would help? (for eg. with earlier source engine games deleting the game dir in your username folder usually helps a lot)
At this point I'm just worried this game is going to end up like RO2, dead because of a ###### launch/endless performance woes, which I really really do not want as I have huge respect for UWE & I'm hoping this will be my main comp game for years to come. Unfortunately though you just can't have an intense, competitive firstperson game without the framerates/low input lag & I personally can't play at anything lower than 90/120 fps (engine dependent) as I get nausea & headaches. In all honesty you're going to be tweaking gameplay & what not for months if not years to come so that's not an excuse - in my not-so-humble opinion you need to start optimising now, doing so after the release will result in a near dead game and no one wants that.
fps 10-35 - all settings absolute lowest, 1280x800, no mods
win7 x64 sp1 (2 month install)
i5 2500k stock
5770 1gb stock
32gb ddr3 stock
sammy 830 ssd
p8p67
everything latest
At this point I'm just worried this game is going to end up like RO2, dead because of a ###### launch/endless performance woes, which I really really do not want as I have huge respect for UWE & I'm hoping this will be my main comp game for years to come. Unfortunately though you just can't have an intense, competitive firstperson game without the framerates/low input lag & I personally can't play at anything lower than 90/120 fps (engine dependent) as I get nausea & headaches. In all honesty you're going to be tweaking gameplay & what not for months if not years to come so that's not an excuse - in my not-so-humble opinion you need to start optimising now, doing so after the release will result in a near dead game and no one wants that.
fps 10-35 - all settings absolute lowest, 1280x800, no mods
win7 x64 sp1 (2 month install)
i5 2500k stock
5770 1gb stock
32gb ddr3 stock
sammy 830 ssd
p8p67
everything latest
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Unless you have a specialist 120 / 200 hz monitor your monitor will be incapable of displaying anything over 60 fps so I am definitely calling shenanigans.
In any case, you really should be hitting around 70 fps on that set up, excluding late game lag. I'm curious as to how you're getting such bad performance.
70fps at the start of the game is about as much as you can get on a really beastly computer (i.e. CPU overclocked >4GHz), but I've never seen anyone with more than 50fps during combat. Even a GTX 690 and a 5GHz CPU can't provide a steady 60fps. And before you start to flame me: Yes, there are benchmarks of this.
@Luminal: Your graphics card is most likely the bottleneck for your system, even though NS2 depends A LOT more on the CPU than the GPU. I have a similar CPU (i5-3570K stock), but a GTX 670 (OC) and get reasonably smooth gameplay (60fps at game start, going down to a minimum of 30 on servers with lots of players and heavy combat).
I've definitely seen improvements over the course of the development. Hell, you can even see in the code changes for every build that they're optimizing. They're not trying to screw you over.
I would personally also like them to delay the release until they have better performance (e.g. when Max gets to finish a few of his enormous amount of tasks), but it seems like they think it's fine this way. From the start of development until today, they have bitten off way more than they can chew, but they still manage to hold on and produce a very good game, which is an amazing achievement to me. I mean, Max is writing a completely new implementation of the Lua language from scratch. That is the most crazy attempt at optimization I have ever heard of.
I don't really know what you mean by "reverting to a fresh install". You can delete your %APPDATA%\Natural Selection 2\ folder, but that won't do more than reset your settings (unless you use Steam Cloud) and clear the shader cache. Unlike Source games, there aren't like 5000 console variables saved into your config because they don't exist (yet).
Well If they're not going to listen to such an important member of the community there's little chance they're going to listen to me. It's just this game has come too far in my mind to potentially end up how I've seen several other games die in the past, I dislike sounding melodramatic I just desperately want them to succeed. Thanks for the response
But I think your logic may not factor in everything.
I think Crysis was extremely demanding compared to the general average power of a gaming computer when it was first launched.
<b>GOOD NEWS EVERYONE.</b> Just watched the QA stream on twitch, many people spammed about performance & Charlie touched on it briefly then by the end asked everyone to stop as they're working entirely on optimisation now apparently. Obviously I'm paraphrasing slightly, check the stream for the actual quote.
In Crysis you could have good fps on reasonable hardware by changing the settings to the lowest possible. In NS2, it won't matter at all since you'll most likely be CPU bottlenecked on most common gaming hardware. Even if changing settings does improve performance, it won't make such a huge difference since the workload for the CPU increases with the framerate, hence creating a bottleneck and reducing the fps a bit again.