Marine rifles are disgustingly accurate

hotd0g

They have 100% precision rate without any scatter, even across the length of the map. It's like dying to an injection of silent bullets, especially because there is no oral feedback of the bullets hitting the ground/walls.
Many a times i've died wondering where the marine was standing in the first place, only to notice he was like 2 rooms away and just "sniped" me with his rifle from afar.

Imbalanxd

You must be new here, I bid you a warm welcome!

Onii-chan

NS1 had it the same way, it's not meant to be realistic games with recoil and such, marines have it hard enough as it is.
And Skulks should be walking on the floor, that will just get you killed in seconds against decent marines.

Raneman

How does someone with an 04 join date think of this stuff?

hotd0g

NS1 rifles no not nearly have the same precision as NS2 rifles...unless they are upgraded to lvl3, and even then. Sniping is what the pistol should be for, not the rifle.

Wilson

There is a bug with the pistol that makes it completley silent to aliens at the moment. Perhaps having small ricochet sounds would also help at long distances.

GORGEous

<!--quoteo(post=1970513:date=Sep 3 2012, 01:44 PM:name=hotd0g)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hotd0g @ Sep 3 2012, 01:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970513"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They have 100% precision rate without any scatter, even across the length of the map. It's like dying to an injection of silent bullets, especially because there is no oral feedback of the bullets hitting the ground/walls.
Many a times i've died wondering where the marine was standing in the first place, only to notice he was like 2 rooms away and just "sniped" me with his rifle from afar.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


<!--quoteo(post=1970518:date=Sep 3 2012, 01:53 PM:name=hotd0g)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hotd0g @ Sep 3 2012, 01:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970518"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NS1 rifles no not nearly have the same precision as NS2 rifles...unless they are upgraded to lvl3, and even then. Sniping is what the pistol should be for, not the rifle.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


NS2 rifles have 3 degree spread. NS1 rifles had 4 degree spread. Also, weapon upgrades have nothing to do with spread.


You are right on the sound. As an alien, the sound sucks for telling when someone is shooting at you or hitting you.

hotd0g

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What does that have to do with anything?

Onii-chan

<!--quoteo(post=1970518:date=Sep 3 2012, 08:53 PM:name=hotd0g)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hotd0g @ Sep 3 2012, 08:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970518"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NS1 rifles no not nearly have the same precision as NS2 rifles...unless they are upgraded to lvl3, and even then. Sniping is what the pistol should be for, not the rifle.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm pretty sure weapon upgrades only affect the damage in both NS1 and NS2.
Again, aliens already dominate, even with their cara slowdown and currently useless onos.
But that's partially because many comms are just rushing for EXO since it's a new toy.

Things should normalize balance wise after cara slowdown is either removed or reduced and comms stop dropping CCs in barely secured hive locations.
A turret or 2 would also really help in firefights(or at least buy you time) while trying to secure a tech point, comms ignore them too much.

Imbalanxd

I think its safe to say that no one has ever missed due to the bullet spread from an LMG, and I'm pretty sure that is the point. The difficulty of NS, unlike CS or COD, is simply being able to place the crosshair on your target, let alone compensate for spray.

TimMc

<!--quoteo(post=1970525:date=Sep 3 2012, 12:14 PM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Sep 3 2012, 12:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970525"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think its safe to say that no one has ever missed due to the bullet spread from an LMG, and I'm pretty sure that is the point. The difficulty of NS, unlike CS or COD, is simply being able to place the crosshair on your target, let alone compensate for spray.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This. Plus its the future, maybe guns don't have recoil.

KaptajnKLO

So you want a less accurate rifle... man some of the complaints on this forum are just ridiculous.

Nordic

Marine tech in the year (Insert year) got incredibly accurate. It was a major advancement in weapons technology.

Bicsum

Also, the bullets are made of nanites.

Runteh

I don't think bullet hit would make a difference. If you are completely motionless as a skulk and a marine takes good aim and holds fire, you are dead before you can react.

Techercizer

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Having been around (presumably) for ages, we expect you to be used to the way LMGs work in NS and NS2. It is surprising that you are complaining about this.

bEEb

<!--quoteo(post=1970537:date=Sep 3 2012, 11:36 AM:name=Bicsum)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bicsum @ Sep 3 2012, 11:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970537"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, the bullets are made of nanites.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Bicsum hit the nail on the head here. Its been long known that nanites reduce bullet spread.

Shaker

Yeah guys and what about iron sights! And a cover based system!

;p

bEEb

Also, it should be mentioned, that the accuracy of the rifle is only half the equation. The other half is the player. Fighting an alien with an LMG is mostly predicting where the alien is going....and a little luck. Especially at point blank range where most fights take place.

Shrike3O

The rifle's nearly recoilless because it's using low-powered frangible rounds designed (via nanites) to shatter before they kill a teammate or blow a hole in a habitat and depressurize the entire area, killing the inhabitants. This makes it phenomenally easy to hold on target (ever used a fully automatic .22 LR? It's like using a pressure washer) but does mean it also takes dozens of rounds to kill a target.

Raptor091288

If you get sniped from two rooms away what are you doing sitting perfectly still out in the open?

Bloodshot12

lol I have friends who I only recently introduced to NS and are <i>afraid</i> to play the game because it's so hard to shoot the aliens as marines, and you want to make it harder?

If you move around a lot as a skulk, it's not that hard to avoid LMGs unless you are vsing a very good marine.

Hozartis

You nerf marines by adding recoil, then you must nerf aliens and force some kind of slow-down on hit, or a bite/pause type mechanic. Both together would make the game easier for lower-skilled players IMO, who can't shoot a skulk or bite a marine worth a damn.

But keep in mind: NS2 isn't made for new players, it's built for competitive gamers. All the balancing changes, seemingly random for most (i.e. gorge hydras costing 3 res now), come from data pulled from competitive play. NS is far from realistic, doesn't give a ###### about suspension of disbelief, and never will, as long as the goal is to balance to 1% of the playerbase.

It's a tricky-down game design philosophy: make balance decisions rewarding the top 1%, and a good, balanced game will fall down to the other 99.

Raptor091288

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->But the needs between public and competitive can be at odds. We strive to find a balance between the two, so new players can have fun right away, but advanced players continue to find ways to get better at it. Neither side eclipses the other, and both are considered at all times.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/150pxFW1b_KqgdzIF4MNxO1xBA-jrndZZ9-d_Ez0L1js/edit#" target="_blank">Source</a>

Whether or not that's what actually happened on the other hand...

ellnic

Might be very accurate but with the time the animation shows a hit (on any surface not just on aliens) and the time it registers isn't.

Onii-chan

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Oh! And a conversation wheel!
Now you can convince the aliens to abandon their hive if you have high enough charisma.
And don't forget about the Onos romance subplot. Oh yeah!


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<!--quoteo(post=1970557:date=Sep 3 2012, 11:12 PM:name=bEEb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bEEb @ Sep 3 2012, 11:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970557"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Bicsum hit the nail on the head here. Its been long known that nanites reduce bullet spread.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

NS science in a nutshell:
<img src="http://i45.tinypic.com/rmiq8k.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Daphisto

<!--quoteo(post=1970518:date=Sep 3 2012, 01:53 PM:name=hotd0g)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hotd0g @ Sep 3 2012, 01:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970518"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sniping is what the pistol should be for, not the rifle.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

End scene. Cut! That's a wrap!

TimMc

^^^ lol a pistol is a sidearm. A rifle is supposed to be an accurate weapon, far more than a pistol.

Hence in shooting competitions, pistol ranges are 1/4 or less the length of rifle ranges.

bEEb

I think that we all learned something important here today.

Mestaritonttu

The pistol sniper mode made no sense whatsoever but DAMN. DAMN it was fun.

Snipe dat lerk! Pew pew!

Only time for one shot! Make it count, use sniper pistol! Pew pew!

Running out of ammo! I need more damage! Sniper mode! Pew pew!

Soul_Rider

Damn, all along I thought the Pro's used Big Ass Sniper Rifles, and it turns out they use Sniper Pistols, lol. How have we been taken in by Hollywood and all these other games for so long, what with them making us believe RIFLE's were for sniping!