Oh.my.god.

SidewinderSidewinder Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7842Members
Okay first off as usual this game owns meh and all yew foolz, and no other mod will ever be able to succeed this baby! I'm wondering, however, is Natural Selection crazy or something? I have UT2003 installed on my Pentium 4 1.4 Ghz, 512 MB PC-800 RDRAM and GeForce 3 Ti500 system running at the same resolution as Natural Selection and probably with more graphics features tew, but it doesn't lag, but when I'm in Natural Selection and I play for perhaps a less-than-moderate building-of-structures session the thing chugs along like a friggin Heavy Armor Marine with all the fancy stuff. Is this an act of god, or does Natural Selection need some serious tweaking here? BTW, I play both games offline with bots (more in UT2003) so I doubt my internet connection or some server being the cause.

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  • XaniethXanieth Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7280Members
    UT2003 doesn't have 8,000 entities a map. NS does due to all the weldables, glass, resource nozzles, doors, hive locations, and then you have everything else to worry about. Structures, commanders, webbing, upgrades, etc. NS is very CPU intensive. UT2003 is not.
  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    yeah, NS eats CPUs for breakfast. It barely touches videocards. I can do 99fps at 1600x1200 with CS, NS i do about 70 at 1280x1024. Its all cause of my "wimpy" 1GHz athlon.
  • KriguKrigu Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7850Members
    edited November 2002
    I guess it has something to do with the lagg too. When you're in a NS server with a 300+ ping, things are starting to get .... bumpy. Thanks to 1.02 that's improved a LOT.

    [edit] I have a P3 733 with 256 RAM, a NVIDEA TNT2 (sucky) and NS runs like.... heaven for me.
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    Ns runs great for, me, even if I'm at 800x600 and only get 30 or so FPS

    P3 600mhz, 256ram, Geforce2 annilator 2 mx series


    Man I need a new computer x.x
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    hmm, I am wondering if it is b/c of the bots

    Bots tend to eat CPU time also (I am not exqactly sure about HL bots)

    however they are performing an action for every FPS that you have



    orrr, there could be something screwy (hosting and playing tends to get funky, not sure though try playing O/L)
  • SidewinderSidewinder Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7842Members
    Hmm.. so you're saying if I go out and buy some crazy Intel 3 Ghz processor now and plug it into a computer with 512 MB RAM and a Riva TNT2 I would run NS better eh?
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
  • StormehStormeh Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3541Members
    Well when HL came out Graphicscards where something fairley new to the market and many ppl didnt have one. Therefore its relying more on the CPU than on the GFX card.

    Unreal Tournament 2003 on the other hand is brand new, and its uses more of the GFX card, wich results in that there is a nice "balance" betwen GFX card usage and CPU usage.
  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members
    the FPS discussion is already plastered on the forums multiple times.
  • BridgerBridger Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1761Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sidewinder+Nov 18 2002, 06:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sidewinder @ Nov 18 2002, 06:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Okay first off as usual this game owns meh and all yew foolz, and no other mod will ever be able to succeed this baby! I'm wondering, however, is Natural Selection crazy or something? I have UT2003 installed on my Pentium 4 1.4 Ghz, 512 MB PC-800 RDRAM and GeForce 3 Ti500 system running at the same resolution as Natural Selection and probably with more graphics features tew, but it doesn't lag, but when I'm in Natural Selection and I play for perhaps a less-than-moderate building-of-structures session the thing chugs along like a friggin Heavy Armor Marine with all the fancy stuff. Is this an act of god, or does Natural Selection need some serious tweaking here? BTW, I play both games offline with bots (more in UT2003) so I doubt my internet connection or some server being the cause.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bridger's Guide to not looking like a jackass! If you don't want to be labled as an immature 12 yr old who failed out of grade school, please adhear to the following rules:
    <ul>
    <li>Do not use words like meh and tew and yew. They are extreamly childish and anoying to read.
    <li>Sentances should not be longer than the second sentance on this post. Run on sentances are hard to read and make your post less professional.
    <li>Use paragraphs to denote different subjects in your post. This is much more organized and shows that you did, in fact, make it though grammar school.
    </ul>

    There you have it! The ultimate guide on acting older than 12!
  • PeddaPedda Join Date: 2002-02-05 Member: 164Members
    edited November 2002
    I don't think many people will lable him an immature 12 yr old who failed out of grade school after that post, even if you do. But everyone his own opinion.

    @topic
    Yeah I agree, UT doesn't need much CPU power except for maybe if you set the Physics Detail to high (with all the fancy effects like smoke being whirled around by rockets) or adding like 50 bots. I think without those bots your NS should run a good bit smoother.
  • BoddoZergBoddoZerg Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8380Members
    edited November 2002
    NS is running at a fairly constant 60 fps on my AthlonXP2000, GeForce4Ti4400, 512 MB PC2700 DDR system. The graphics settings are 1280*960*32, 4xFSAA and 8xAniso.

    No chance in hell of UT2003 running at those resolutions and fsaa/aniso settings...

    Dunno what youre doing wrong, theres no way NS is more cpu intensive than UT2003.
  • DSYStaufDSYStauf Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4429Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--Bridger+Nov 18 2002, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bridger @ Nov 18 2002, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bridger's Guide to not looking like a jackass!  If you don't want to be labled as an immature 12 yr old who failed out of grade school, please adhear to the following rules:
    <ul>
    <li>Do not use words like meh and tew and yew.  They are extreamly childish and anoying to read.
    <li>Sentances should not be longer than the second sentance on this post.  Run on sentances are hard to read and make your post less professional.
    <li>Use paragraphs to denote different subjects in your post.  This is much more organized and shows that you did, in fact, make it though grammar school.
    </ul>

    There you have it!  The ultimate guide on acting older than 12!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Psst... You misspelled <b>adhere</b>, <b>extremely</b>, <b>annoying</b>, and <b>sentence</b> (three times).

    Thought you'd like to know. You know, impressions and all...
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    Oh oh oh oh OWNED! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MMZRedrumMMZRedrum Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9178Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--Bridger+Nov 18 2002, 08:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bridger @ Nov 18 2002, 08:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bridger's Guide to not looking like a jackass!  If you don't want to be labled as an immature 12 yr old who failed out of grade school, please adhear to the following rules:
    <ul>
    <li>Do not use words like meh and tew and yew.  They are extreamly childish and anoying to read.
    <li>Sentances should not be longer than the second sentance on this post.  Run on sentances are hard to read and make your post less professional.
    <li>Use paragraphs to denote different subjects in your post.  This is much more organized and shows that you did, in fact, make it though grammar school.
    </ul>

    There you have it!  The ultimate guide on acting older than 12!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Redrum's Guide to not acting like a pompus twit. If you don't want to be labaled as an immature and completely useless flamer who failed to make friends in grade school, please adhear to the following rules:

    <ul>
    <li>Do not post off topic flames. (Funny to see you flaming like a 12 y/o about not acting like a 12 y/o...) Note: This post by myself is in defense of the original poster, and hence a flame-retardant ... not a flame.
    <li>Do not critique the spelling or grammatical errors of others... Ever.
    <li>Get a life. If your only contribution to the world is picking fights online, you need to log off and go outside.
    </ul>

    There you have it! The ultimate guide on not acting like a pompus twit.
  • KriguKrigu Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7850Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sidewinder+Nov 18 2002, 07:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sidewinder @ Nov 18 2002, 07:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hmm.. so you're saying if I go out and buy some crazy Intel 3 Ghz processor now and plug it into a computer with 512 MB RAM and a Riva TNT2 I would run NS better eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Forget the TNT2 and get your self a GeForce 4, because a TNT2 can't run BF1942 good ^_^
  • XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
    I believe it's more that the HL-Engine is not fast enought for drawing that much of stuff than that UT-enginge doesn't need to work as much. The hl-engine is simply getting old for fancy thingies since it's based from the old Q2 engine umm 5 years ago? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BlaqWolfBlaqWolf Join Date: 2002-10-28 Member: 1667Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Typhon+Nov 18 2002, 10:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Typhon @ Nov 18 2002, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeah, NS eats CPUs for breakfast. It barely touches videocards. I can do 99fps at 1600x1200 with CS, NS i do about 70 at 1280x1024. Its all cause of my "wimpy" 1GHz athlon.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    what kind of video card do you have???
  • InjuryInjury Mahou Shoujo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7992Banned
    I have a roughly comparable system to BoddoZerg except in the video department, but I run my NS in 800x600 anyways so I have no problems averaging 80 FPS.
  • BridgerBridger Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1761Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--[DSY]Stauf+Nov 18 2002, 09:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DSY]Stauf @ Nov 18 2002, 09:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Psst... You misspelled <b>adhere</b>, <b>extremely</b>, <b>annoying</b>, and <b>sentence</b> (three times).

    Thought you'd like to know. You know, impressions and all...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i think i know i'm a horrible speller, there's not much i can do about that (short of studying the dictionary...).

    I didn't mention any kinds of spelling mistakes in my guide, i was talking about purposfully mispelled words that have no purpose. My biggest gripe on forums such as this is people who ignore common grammar rules. <b>Sentences</b> longer than a fright train and giant paragraphs really make it hard to read posts. Simply splitting your ideas into different paragraphs isn't really that hard is it? Using sentences and words that make it easy to read?

    I don't think that's asking too much. It's just that when i see a post like that, it instantly makes me think of the person as somebody who dropped out of 6th grade or simply refuses to take the time to make their post readable. Either way, it causes me to loose respect for the poster, and thus his arguments have just lost their respect as well.
  • BridgerBridger Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1761Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Redrum+Nov 18 2002, 09:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Redrum @ Nov 18 2002, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Redrum's Guide to not acting like a pompus twit. If you don't want to be labaled as an immature and completely useless flamer who failed to make friends in grade school, please adhear to the following rules:

    <ul>
    <li>Do not post off topic flames. (Funny to see you flaming like a 12 y/o about not acting like a 12 y/o...)  Note: This post by myself is in defense of the original poster, and hence a flame-retardant ... not a flame.
    <li>Do not critique the spelling or grammatical errors of others... Ever.
    <li>Get a life. If your only contribution to the world is picking fights online, you need to log off and go outside.
    </ul>

    There you have it! The ultimate guide on not acting like a pompus twit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm flaming like a 12 yr old? Ok, maybe it was a bit over the line, i was just trying to frame my critisism in a humorous light.

    But if you'd read any of my other 200 someodd posts you'd realize that i very rarely, if at all, flame people. The only time i could posibly see an exception is when somebody is posting in such a way that makes it very hard to read. That is one of my pet peeves (sp?).

    Like i said, this is one of the very rare times where i've come close to flaming, so your last point is totaly groundless. I'm not critiquing the general spelling or gramatical mistakes, i'm critiquing the PURPOSFUL misuse of words.

    How hard is it NOT to use run on sentences? How hard is it to frame your post in a well thought out manor using paragraphs? It seems to me anybody who has passed 6th grade would have an easy time with this, hence, people who refuse to take the time to make their post easier to read apear to me as being 6th grade dropouts.

    I'm trying to help the guy by pointing out that the way his post is framed causes me to loose faith in whatever he's saying. I loose respect for people who don't take the time to make their post readable. Somebody has to tell him or else he'll keep posting like that.
  • DSYStaufDSYStauf Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4429Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--Bridger+Nov 20 2002, 03:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bridger @ Nov 20 2002, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm trying to help the guy by pointing out that the way his post is framed causes me to loose faith in whatever he's saying.  I loose respect for people who don't take the time to make their post readable.  Somebody has to tell him or else he'll keep posting like that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here's the thing... I agree that it's not that hard to avoid run-on sentences and such (at least it's not hard for me), and it <b>can</b> get annoying. But, it really is in bad taste to point out someone's grammar mistakes (especially when it makes up an entire reply) in reply to a post that has nothing to do with grammar at all.

    I see your point about letting him know, but did you really handle it that well? I don't think so. You could have just as easily let him know by PM'ing him. You didn't have to devote a long, drawn-out reply to it. Look at your post again. Whether you were joking or not, you essentially insulted him (insinuating that he looked like a "jackass" and an "immature 12 year old"). In any case, you could have handled the situation a lot better than you did, and I don't think there's any good reason to be defending that post.
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