Preventions against Trollmanders
peregrinus
Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
<div class="IPBDescription">How to stop them</div>What do you do if a commander pays no attention to the game and builds things for no reason, doesn't respond to requests or advice and doesn't research anything?
And then there are the nastier kind who jump in and recycle everything.
People were talking about this in game and suggested if a commander is vote ejected or leaves a server while in the chair, they shouldn't be allowed to command for a day or so.
Could the marines also have a check on whether the commander can recycle an IP or armoury when there is only one left?
If the comm is able to freely recycle the last IP and armoury it means one player can decide that all the other marines are going to lose - and also waste the time of the alien team who wanted a good match.
So please let the command to recycle the final IP/armoury trigger a vote for all players on the team. When you've been concentrating on a game for 40 minutes it sucks to see it end because one guy - just one - is bored of commanding and wants to start a new round.
And then there are the nastier kind who jump in and recycle everything.
People were talking about this in game and suggested if a commander is vote ejected or leaves a server while in the chair, they shouldn't be allowed to command for a day or so.
Could the marines also have a check on whether the commander can recycle an IP or armoury when there is only one left?
If the comm is able to freely recycle the last IP and armoury it means one player can decide that all the other marines are going to lose - and also waste the time of the alien team who wanted a good match.
So please let the command to recycle the final IP/armoury trigger a vote for all players on the team. When you've been concentrating on a game for 40 minutes it sucks to see it end because one guy - just one - is bored of commanding and wants to start a new round.
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A commander ban longer than for the lasting game/until the next mapchange is not a good idea. Not everyone who is voted out was trolling. Some are noobs and just too slow for the team, some just spilled coffee over their couch and forgot to leave the CC etc.
I don't want ever to be banned just because my team doesn't like my tactics, or doesn't accept that I am in a learning process or something. Not protecting trolls here, but we all know how stupid/aggressive/unforgiving the masses can be in reverse.
And the day ban is a bit excessive. That level of punishment should be up to the server operator. I'd say for the duration of the round is the extent of what the ban should be.
At the very least it seems like something that could be modded in with a fair amount of ease.
And yea...this couldn't work now because the game and servers crash so often :P
It's more giving the rest of the team a say in the absolute game ending decisions the commander can make right now.
Commanders could still recycle everything else, it's only when they want to recycle and armoury or an IP, and there are no other of those structures. That should trigger a team vote IMO.
In most cases only trollmanders would be bothered by this. How often do good comms want to recycle everything? And even if they're in that situation where they want to, would it bother them or change the gameplay if a team vote is held?
I haven't seen a commander recycle things to troll/alien team member joining marines and recycling for a long long time.
Any type of punishment would be bad. In counterstrike, there's a clan, or group I may say, called the votebanners. Guess what they did? Went on a server, votebanned everyone, went to next server. Wouldn't want any trolls taking advantage.
That has to do with balance in the game and it's unfinished/unpolished state. Some people would say it also has to do with aliens not knowing how to take out a marine base together.
Later as balance improves these stalemates will be less likely.
With my suggestion you could vote 'Yes' to recycling, and if most voted Yes with you then it would be done...so no change there.
<b>The suggestion makes no difference to how commanders play. It only makes a difference in that they will have to have a majority of players supporting their decision to end the game. </b>
If the commander is unhappy with the outcome then hey, you've been mutinied against! They can chose to exit the comm chair and let someone else comm, or they can leave the server or wait in the ready room. Either way, the majority of players will be happy with the outcome because they had a say.
That's how I got it, it still will not work out too good.
Well I didn't suggest a vote ban. Players should be able to vote the commander out of the chair, and vote when they want to resign.
I can't think how letting players vote on recycling the final armoury or IP can be taken advantage of by trolls. It's trolls who can take advantage of being able to freely end the game for all the players, because there is no restriction on selling the final IP and armoury.
You may not have experienced a trollmander but other people have they are there and sometimes they're good comms who get pissed off. I've seen plenty of comms lose their temper and start saying 'this team sucks' - almost oblivious to the fact they can exit the comm chair or leave the game when they want.
Besides it doesn't matter if it's rare or not. It's a small thing to add (I guess?), with no effect on the game, and you won't even see it most of the time.
I like the "voting for recycling last IP" idea and that is probably better than what I was thinking of, but may I'd like to offer an alternate voting idea anyway.
What if in any point in the game, you can only recycle one structure at a time. This way you'd still get the freedom to move a bad IP or possibly ninja expand without having to wait for voting to finish since timing is everything in those situations and it would be more work than a rage quitting comm would be willing to do. Now I haven't comm'd much, but in a typical game, I rarely need to recycle more than one structure at a time anyway.
Now for the voting part. As a comm you could initiate a "Surrender Vote" and if accepted by 80%(?) of the team, all structures will start recycling at once.
This doesn't really answer the question about trolling but I do think there should be a surrender vote implemented for both sides, and any player should be able to call. It would also be nice if any votes that are in progress show up on the screen; for a commander eject or a surrender.
Perhaps 'surrender' could be changed to a more neutral word like 'resign'.
That's a relevant example for being able to recycle without having to wait for confirmation (by the time you get it the base will have been munched and the resources flushed down the drain).
You'll have to accept that commanders can grief, because if you remove any ability for them to do so, you'll also remove that which makes the commander such an interesting class.
In fact, you won't need a commander. Everyone can shift to commander view and place a 'motion' of an action for people to vote over
democracy
"Why can't we have flamethrowers it would help us protect our 1 resource tower! EJECT!!!"
"You're a retard, but I have never commanded and have no mic"
etc. etc.
"Can we have cloaking?" when Crag hive.
A genuine accident the person would appolgise, ask for advice or instantly place another one down. And ud have to be pretty stupid to recycle an inf portal by accident
I was thinking about that too and was thinking "extract" "fall back" "depart" "withdraw" orders would be more neutral, but not as recognized as surrender. Though I think Withdraw could work.
A big announcement on the screen could say for both teams, "Marines are withdrawing!" and a timer would countdown just so everyone would understand what happened and how the game was ended.