Are gonna cysts still dropped just by clicking it?
Classic319
Join Date: 2010-11-06 Member: 74789Members
Join Date: 2010-11-06 Member: 74789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Alien commander and Cyst! Big Problem</div>
I always find it horrible to see cysts suddenly appear.
But i find it great to see Gorges vomit the cysts.
So why don't you make some AI creature that would be controlled by commander which vomits or drops cysts, like gorges?
(maybe it would look already good if that AI just looks like gorge that is a bit different)
This would prevent Cyst Spam
This would more tactical decision of commander whether he should produce more those cyst-dropping-AI-units in order to spread cysts x2~ faster
And most importantly, with this, marine will have the reason why they should kill cysts and aliens will have also reason why they should defend important cyst chain.
What i find worst is, that to kill or to regain cyst chain is no longer that important, as soon as that alien commander is just able to drop cysts without no damage, and no disturbs, as soon as cysts appear and grow suddenly by just clicking those on the screen.
If there would be that Cyst-Dropping-AI unit, it will also be used as maintanance-man and repair-man of cyst chain. So when cyst chain is killed, he should go there and drop cyst to connect chain again, and it will take some time, so that means alien commander and also alien players will have more responsibility on it.
Oh my topic became like suggestion, but i would say, it's just horrible system to let commander just click Cyst on the screen and then cysts grow and appear alone. I hope it's because of lack of implementation, but i couldn't find any more information of 'How to drop Cysts- tasks'
Please think about it. Just please stop let cysts can be dropped just by commander simply clicking on the screen.
I always find it horrible to see cysts suddenly appear.
But i find it great to see Gorges vomit the cysts.
So why don't you make some AI creature that would be controlled by commander which vomits or drops cysts, like gorges?
(maybe it would look already good if that AI just looks like gorge that is a bit different)
This would prevent Cyst Spam
This would more tactical decision of commander whether he should produce more those cyst-dropping-AI-units in order to spread cysts x2~ faster
And most importantly, with this, marine will have the reason why they should kill cysts and aliens will have also reason why they should defend important cyst chain.
What i find worst is, that to kill or to regain cyst chain is no longer that important, as soon as that alien commander is just able to drop cysts without no damage, and no disturbs, as soon as cysts appear and grow suddenly by just clicking those on the screen.
If there would be that Cyst-Dropping-AI unit, it will also be used as maintanance-man and repair-man of cyst chain. So when cyst chain is killed, he should go there and drop cyst to connect chain again, and it will take some time, so that means alien commander and also alien players will have more responsibility on it.
Oh my topic became like suggestion, but i would say, it's just horrible system to let commander just click Cyst on the screen and then cysts grow and appear alone. I hope it's because of lack of implementation, but i couldn't find any more information of 'How to drop Cysts- tasks'
Please think about it. Just please stop let cysts can be dropped just by commander simply clicking on the screen.
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But i find it great to see Gorges vomit the cysts.
So why don't you make some AI creature that would be controlled by commander which vomits or drops cysts, like gorges?
(maybe it would look already good if that AI just looks like gorge that is a bit different)
This would prevent Cyst Spam
This would more tactical decision of commander whether he should produce more those cyst-dropping-AI-units in order to spread cysts x2~ faster
And most importantly, with this, marine will have the reason why they should kill cysts and aliens will have also reason why they should defend important cyst chain.
What i find worst is, that to kill or to regain cyst chain is no longer that important, as soon as that alien commander is just able to drop cysts without no damage, and no disturbs, as soon as cysts appear and grow suddenly by just clicking those on the screen.
If there would be that Cyst-Dropping-AI unit, it will also be used as maintanance-man and repair-man of cyst chain. So when cyst chain is killed, he should go there and drop cyst to connect chain again, and it will take some time, so that means alien commander and also alien players will have more responsibility on it.
Oh my topic became like suggestion, but i would say, it's just horrible system to let commander just click Cyst on the screen and then cysts grow and appear alone. I hope it's because of lack of implementation, but i couldn't find any more information of 'How to drop Cysts- tasks'
Please think about it. Just please stop let cysts can be dropped just by commander simply clicking on the screen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As opposed to Marine commander magically dropping resource towers by clicking "Resource tower?"
You do understand RTs cost TRes, and carelessly dropping them anywhere is penalized quite quickly by the alien-team?
I believe they are materialized using nanites or something like that? it's not "magic" in the NS universe. I suppose you could pretend something like the cysts are formed from Spores in the air or something?
I do like the idea of having some kind of invisible alien creature that only the alien Khamm can see placing cysts down.
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this is a cool idea
You could cyst normally through the Drifter, but cyst placements this way would be on a cooldown, maybe 30 secs? might be harsh early game, but that gives you a few quick cysts in the way you want to expand due to the original Drifters the hives start out with AND makes the gorge more valuable to the comm early game for extra as-cyst-ance.
And now Drifters would be even more important! As a marine, if you kill off the drifters, you slow the infestation. It's so basic and I love it.
I have also always tried to think of a way to let the alien comm drop cysts on the walls and ceilings and this could be the way to go about it. You could then have the drifters be on auto-cyst, which would work like the auto skills in warcraft 3, by right clicking on the cyst button. This way drifters would automatically cyst around them when the timer is up, similar to how MACs auto repair. Of course you could always take it off and cyst normally, but this just gives the drifters something to do instead of just waiting around till you are ready to use them up. Auto-cysting would prioritize shooting cysts on the edge of infestation.
+1 to this, i have suggested it myself in another thread. The longer the cyst chain, the closer the new range would have to be to 2x the current range in order to require the same number of cysts for the same distance. I think it would be OK for aliens to take a bit of a hit on how many cysts it takes to reach nodes though, because they would receive a big advantage for whip rushes and the like since the cysts wouldn't have to be right on the front line. It would also give marines more reason to use the flamethrower against infestation since it tracks back to the cyst (apparently, haven't tried it myself).
improve aesthetics + encourage offensive whips and anti-creep flamethrower = good feature IMO
the flamethrower's bonus against creep and the whip's bonus against buildings are seriously under-utilized.
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PS: cysts popping up don't look as bad as they used to, they kinda "spring up" now as of 201, i think it looks good, it just would make more sense if they were popping up out of creep instead of metal.
+1 to this
but if you have to drop cysts on top of infestation you will have to wait ages to be able to make a chain with them, unless you want the infestation to spread instantly, or extremely rapidly, which would look bad to anyone watching it
Having to wait is the point.
Personally, I'd like to see it spread fast, but only when catalyzed. I don't think it would look as bad as cysts popping up in the middle of a metal floor with nothing alien near them.
Additionally, imagine if the "on creep" requirement replaced the "connected to hive" requirement for placement (but not for viability, cysts unconnected from a hive should still die slowly).
This would allow a gorge to run pop an unconnected cyst on a res node, and you could actually cyst <i>from there</i> back towards the hive until connecting (if the gorge does a little healing for you) and connect in the middle.
like SO:
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/rkulZ.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
I'd like to see a queuing system for Cysts, where the Commander can place ghost models continuously (until he cancels by right click), and a procedurally generated tendril will snake down the path toward the last ghost model placed.
When the tendril touches a ghost model, a Cyst will start growing with a small build time (so Marines can disrupt the queuing), while the tendril keeps generating. This allows a Commander to plan out the path while the Cysts are growing, and it is made non-instant (so Cyst spam can be avoided).
If the Comm. wants to cancel a line of Cysts, he could select a ghost Cyst and click cancel, which ideally would automatically unqueue all ghost models that are out of range.
I'd like to see a queuing system for Cysts, where the Commander can place ghost models continuously (until he cancels by right click), and a procedurally generated tendril will snake down the path toward the last ghost model placed.
When the tendril touches a ghost model, a Cyst will start growing with a small build time (so Marines can disrupt the queuing), while the tendril keeps generating. This allows a Commander to plan out the path while the Cysts are growing, and it is made non-instant (so Cyst spam can be avoided).
If the Comm. wants to cancel a line of Cysts, he could select a ghost Cyst and click cancel, which ideally would automatically unqueue all ghost models that are out of range.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that is really cool, I actually like that idea better than cysts on infestation. It would also encourage marines to destroy cysts tactically because they could see how many tendrils are coming out of each cyst and target high tendril counts.
I'd like to see a queuing system for Cysts, where the Commander can place ghost models continuously (until he cancels by right click), and a procedurally generated tendril will snake down the path toward the last ghost model placed.
When the tendril touches a ghost model, a Cyst will start growing with a small build time (so Marines can disrupt the queuing), while the tendril keeps generating. This allows a Commander to plan out the path while the Cysts are growing, and it is made non-instant (so Cyst spam can be avoided).
If the Comm. wants to cancel a line of Cysts, he could select a ghost Cyst and click cancel, which ideally would automatically unqueue all ghost models that are out of range.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
fantastic idea!! I think this must be and maybe already planned as the final cyst-spreading-system of NS2 when tendril is implemented.
IMO it'd benefit gorge-commander interaction, make gorge play more enjoyable and central without making them absolutely necessary. Everybody wins really.
I hope we'll see more forward bases with no-res in, since right now you'd be throwing away PRes if you don't tend to your garden due to unconnected Mini-Cysts.
Also, thanks guys for liking the idea :)
thoughts?
i like the tendrils Idea too. it would not be hard to link it to the res pool in a similar pattern.
there's been some good conversation about the implications of no-res gorge here, including that possibility: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=117400&st=20" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...17400&st=20</a>