Pre-release (spring/early summer) tournament
TremanN
Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8471Members
Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8471Members
<div class="IPBDescription">How much interest?</div>How many clans/teams would be interested in a double elimination tournament, held right before release? It could be the beta community's last 'hurrah' if you will. I'm thinking over the course of two days, complete with shoutcasting and streaming. I bring it up this early because I want enough time to put this together.
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I'm not sure we should fight over money here, as the game is far from balanced for these kind of things at the moment.
Hopefully we will see some drastic changes to some of the major problems before this event/release of the game.
As these problems discourage competetive play in the game.
Else we could always mod our way out of them?
See my signature if you're unsure what I am talking about.
Hopefully we will see some drastic changes to some of the major problems before this event/release of the game.
As these problems discourage competetive play in the game.
Else we could always mod our way out of them?
See my signature if you're unsure what I am talking about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A lot of the things you deem to be unbalanced you really blow out of proportion most of the time, and I guess you do that in order to grab everyone's attention easier. Fighting for money makes for a better competitive environment, I probably wouldn't throw my or my team's weight into a tournament knowing that the only thing up for grabs is "glory", I mean, why would I expect my team to work towards nothing when we have other things in our lives to do?
You also seem to assume that the things you find unbalanced won't be mended in the next 6 months prior to release, your opinions on balance etc. is very "here and now", rather than looking at the bigger picture (edit: Which, to be fair, no one does bar the UWE). If something is that bad when this potential tournament comes around, and it's agreed with by the majority, we could mod our way out, it might even be a good way to let the devs know about an aspect that we dislike, and show them why we want it changed.
TremanN, I also find it weird that you find it weird that it was asked about a cash prize in a tournament. This thread is about interest in a possible tournament, I asked a question that might make-or-break my possible interest in the tournament. NS2HD managed to get a cash pool going for his tournament before making the decision that the game was too early in development for that kind of thing. By the time this game is about to be released, which is when you propose the tournament to be held, is a pretty good time to hold a cash-prize tournament, to show that this game could legitimately become a proper e-sport game. Also a KotB tournament will attract a lot of attention, so the more like a real tournament this is, the better, so my asking is not about personal gain in it's entirety, if that's why you're confused by the question, I want to see the game's competitive side flourish in popularity, and this is probably the best way to do it. If you're willing to put in the effort to organize everything from live streams to good visuals to something being up for grabs, then I think a lot of people would be interested in a tournament. Hell, NS2HD proved that when he attempted the last tournament, the cash prize generated a lot of hype. Also, I've been around tournaments and cast games myself, it's a lot of hard work, which is why I ask if you've done it before.
I also think Candy183 attempted to quote me about NS2HD running it, rather than being excited to see Cyd play :P
You also seem to assume that the things you find unbalanced won't be mended in the next 6 months prior to release, your opinions on balance etc. is very "here and now", rather than looking at the bigger picture (edit: Which, to be fair, no one does bar the UWE). If something is that bad when this potential tournament comes around, and it's agreed with by the majority, we could mod our way out, it might even be a good way to let the devs know about an aspect that we dislike, and show them why we want it changed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you as a team are not motivated to play unless there are money involved, that's a problem on your part as a "competetive team".
Not that I mind a money prize, but sometimes it brings more bad then good.
More money, more problems.
I deem to be unbalanced? You think I just pick something I don't like, and call it unbalanced? Or where were you going with that?
I don't assume that the issues won't be solved, but the case is that the problems have been evident for a very long time, and the problems I'm talking about only changed for the worse, so far.
Instead of actually working towards "solving these problems", they caused another similar problem by adding the wrong solution.
Specificly talking about the latest vent in summit here.
Anyway, some times you have to blow things out of proportion to get the required attention to adress it.
I'm not requesting any problems to be adressed right here and now, I'm simply requesting them to be acknowledged as actual problems by the devs.
They are easy to adress, as they are mostly simple variable changes or simple changes in the map editor.
But as you can see in the random spawns thread, that's not going too well, charlie completely dismisses that the current random spawns(with vents all over marine starting areas) causes any problems for gameplay.
He canceled it a few days before the start. Having only one person in the organization is probably not very robust.
I would be interested in a tournament but only if there is no money involved.
Not that I mind a money prize, but sometimes it brings more bad then good.
More money, more problems.
I deem to be unbalanced? You think I just pick something I don't like, and call it unbalanced? Or where were you going with that?
I don't assume that the issues won't be solved, but the case is that the problems have been evident for a very long time, and the problems I'm talking about only changed for the worse, so far.
Instead of actually working towards "solving these problems", they caused another similar problem by adding the wrong solution.
Specificly talking about the latest vent in summit here.
Anyway, some times you have to blow things out of proportion to get the required attention to adress it.
I'm not requesting any problems to be adressed right here and now, I'm simply requesting them to be acknowledged as actual problems by the devs.
They are easy to adress, as they are mostly simple variable changes or simple changes in the map editor.
But as you can see in the random spawns thread, that's not going too well, charlie completely dismisses that the current random spawns(with vents all over marine starting areas) causes any problems for gameplay.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On the contrary, my team plays for fun, and I would even go so far as to say that we represent that more than all the other teams, seeing as everyone in Cyd were friends for years before we decided to make a team rather than just recruit the best players we could find. You can throw any rhetoric you like about "More money more problems", but the fact remains a good tournament has money behind it with a prize pool, because that makes for good e-sports, so don't try and make it sound as if you are right and I am wrong just because I oppose your opinion, from memory any problems caused by money in SC2 is between the players and teams setting up deals outside of the game, but at the end of the day it's good drama for the spectators.
So you admit to blowing things out of proportion, that's good to know. If you have any problems with the game, e-mail UWE and stop jacking every thread possible to complain, you're worse than a spyware pop-up virus.
To TremmanN and back on topic, NS2HD said he postponed it I believe, rather than all-out cancelling it. Still, it shouldn't stop you, in all honesty, I believe NS2HD would love to help you out cause he loves doing this kind of thing, and it would be amazing to see more than just NS2HD making tournaments. My question was probably pretty early, but it's nice to know that it's being thought about, if that makes sense.
I think spring is a bit early. The date will probably be determined by whenever performance is up to scratch (which I think spring may just be a tad too early). Early/mid-summer perhaps.
Fair point. SC2's King of the Beta tournament had a $3000 prize pool and that worked out fine.
Go play SC2 then if you want $$$. NS2 will never have big money prize tournaments and if that's your motivation for playing you may as well not bother.
Smaug. Almost every time I hear about and or see you, you are being needlessly confrontational and aggressive. Perhaps multiplayer games and social interaction are not your thing.
I think a prize pot for a pre-release game that will still (competitively) be in a mess (being realistic) would be a waste. There are plenty of clans (far more so than before the NS2HD tournament) that enjoy the game and would love to play in a tournament, there is no need to add further incentive.
I am sure many of us in duplex would be willing to help out where we can, I really hope this happens as it would be fantastic fun for all involved.
Blowing things out of proportion would be overstating it.
The problems that I write about on these forums about are for people to discuss.
And UWE can see that many, if not most, players agree with me on the subjects.
Maybe there is something to what I'm writing about, have you thought about that?
If you don't like to read gameplay feedback or concerns about the game direction, then simply dont.
Now lay that attitude aside and stop making personal attacks on me.
Did i miss something or does it seem that you too have something against each other? maybe a little healthy rivalry yea?
<b>duplex vs Cyd</b> mini tournament, the victor wins the...forum arguements...!
P.S. swalk I vote we take this opportunity to use my new Circle of Death, and/or Tower of Death strategies!
hmm, do both?
I find it amusing that you think you would actually have a chance to see a single $ of that prize money.
As for the viability of prize pools in NS2 tournaments, I just don't see it happening. Over the course of eight years, NS1 never had a single tournament with any prize money worth mentioning. The active NS1 playerbase was about 10-20 times larger than the current active NS2 beta playerbase. Even TF2, which is huge even compared to the likely post-release NS2 playerbase, has very few tournaments with a prize pool. Do the math.
As for the viability of prize pools in NS2 tournaments, I just don't see it happening. Over the course of eight years, NS1 never had a single tournament with any prize money worth mentioning. The active NS1 playerbase was about 10-20 times larger than the current active NS2 beta playerbase. Even TF2, which is huge even compared to the likely post-release NS2 playerbase, has very few tournaments with a prize pool. Do the math.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1903514:date=Feb 15 2012, 04:33 PM:name=PersianImm0rtal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PersianImm0rtal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1903514"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am pretty sure on the behalf of Team #156 we would all be excited for a tourney when the time comes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good to hear team 156 has their support of this tourney, plus cyd and duplex it must be legit! But i'd just like to point out fnatic, with taking sides mind you, that the ns2hd tournament worked its way up to nearly 300$ if i remember correctly. I searched and the monetary amount (in US Dollars) had been removed from the thread. I don't know what you consider to be a note-worthy amount of money, but ( again rough recall of memory) 300 dollars is a fair amount, to be fair. lol just thought i'd point that out.
Nothing stops you from throwing money at things. Sometimes it's just not worth it or it's even asking for trouble.
In NS2's case I don't think the whole thing would attract any new players and meanwhile it's adding up more than a dozen things that can go horribly wrong and take extra organization. The way I see it, you build a working tournament organisation and functional competetetive community first. Then, when you're sure you can handle the basic stuff you can maybe start involving money if you want to.
WITH LASERS?!
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