Kim Jong-Il dead

X_Stickman

<div class="IPBDescription">Dead Kim Jong-Il</div>I remember some people here are interested in North Korea, and even for those who aren't it's still a relatively big event, so here it is; <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16239693" target="_blank">Kim Jong-Il is dead</a> and one of his sons is likely to inherit the cult.

It'll be interesting to see how well it transfers over to a third person considering Kim Jong-Il's cult was more an extension of his fathers; he never really managed to build up his own one. Also three portraits hanging in every room will start to get annoying.

That_Annoying_Kid

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konata

You thought N. Korea couldn't get worse than Kim Jong, although now he's died his halfwit son will really have full control. We're all doomed.

elodea

I never understood why the U.S. would invade Iraq in the name of liberating the people and WMD, but not North Korea which is that exact picture to the pixel. I would highly doubt they would still have Russian or Chinese support when push comes to shove...

On how the power will transfer over, I reckon it'll be easier than we think. I mean we're talking about nation of people with a messed up group mentality, not people who practice independent rational thinking in any degree. Propaganda is power and i think a halfwit puppet would be the ideal candidate for the men behind the curtain whatever their true motives are.

Zaggy

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I'd guess little strategic value or resources to take over, but I'm not expert in these matters.

Drfuzzy

Looks like he lived up to the family name! <!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->*snicker*<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

X_Stickman

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...Kim?

lolfighter

Yeah I don't get it either.

Align

because he was Il, I guess

These news may or may not be a big deal.

That_Annoying_Kid

yeah the jong Il part was the name pun apparently


also since the discovery of the thread I alerted mein Faja (he was shocked) and have since managed to misplace my mobile -__-

Sops

<!--quoteo(post=1890832:date=Dec 19 2011, 02:50 AM:name=elodea)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elodea @ Dec 19 2011, 02:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1890832"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would highly doubt they would still have Russian or Chinese support when push comes to shove...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yep, China wouldn't have a problem with an large American military presences right on its border.

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Kim Jong-un may act out a bit international to prove his power in the country but more likely he will be forced to spend the next few years working on domestic issues and consolidating power, he was only named as the heir apparent a few years ago so he has not had much time to build strong relations with the NK military and elite. This will hopefully mean little aggression coming from NK at least for a while. On the other hand if Jong-un is deranged and the military willing enough to follow he might do something suicidal and stupid.

Side note, today is South Korean President Lee Myung-bak's birthday.

TheNameIsJambo

Here's hoping his son doesn't find the big, red, shiny button called:

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2012 may still happen, albeit disaster through human means.

Rob

<!--quoteo(post=1890832:date=Dec 19 2011, 03:50 AM:name=elodea)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elodea @ Dec 19 2011, 03:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1890832"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I never understood why the U.S. would invade Iraq in the name of liberating the people and WMD, but not North Korea which is that exact picture to the pixel. I would highly doubt they would still have Russian or Chinese support when push comes to shove...

On how the power will transfer over, I reckon it'll be easier than we think. I mean we're talking about nation of people with a messed up group mentality, not people who practice independent rational thinking in any degree. Propaganda is power and i think a halfwit puppet would be the ideal candidate for the men behind the curtain whatever their true motives are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They surely had Chinese support in the Korean War, which subsequently has never actually ceased.

lolfighter

My completely unqualified guess is that this is the beginning of the end for the NK regime. Mind you, if I had been paying attention in '94 I would probably have said the same, and look how wrong I would have been, so take that with a pinch of salt.

But NK isn't a stable society. It's bound to break down sooner or later, it's just a matter of when. And what happens then. I'd be particularly interested in SK's take on this - imagine you're the SK government. If NK's government broke down and the new government was for peaceful reunification (think <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification" target="_blank">Germany in 1989-90</a>), would you want to?
West Germany was larger than East Germany (acting as a "buffer" that softened the blow of uniting two such economically disparate countries), and it's probably fair to say that the difference between East Germany and West Germany was less pronounced than the difference between North Korea and South Korea is today.
And yet, the effects of the german reunification are felt to this day, two decades hence. A united Korea would probably feel the effects for far longer than that, especially in today's rather subdued economical climate. So what would SK do?

konata

He's the lesser educated and lesser respected of two brothers isn't he?

EDIT:

Sorry he's the youngest of 3, least respected and educated as a computer expert in North Korean technologies apparently.

X_Stickman

The original successor for Kim Jong-Il (his oldest son) was knocked out of the running when he was caught trying to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-nam#2001_Tokyo_Disneyland_incident" target="_blank">enter Japan on a fake passport to visit Tokyo Disneyland.</a>

I tell this story every time Kim Jong-Il or North Korea come up because it never ceases to be funny to me.

Konohas Perverted Hermit

Why did he have to die? Why!? He was supposed to start World War 3, haha (some people).

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Rob

That sounds more like a level in doom to me...

That_Annoying_Kid

jeez Rob classy



and yeah, N Korea the people bond to each other, they don't have computers or tech they have each other and glorious leader


I wonder how they will react to grandson of the cult of personality, cause Il's claim to fame was his daddy was awesome

Sops

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Not sure if this tidbit is true but I read that Il only made one very short public address the whole time he was Supreme Leader. As long as Un has the support of the country's elite he just has to pose for a few pictures and the public will accept him.

Found a list of the official titles Il gave himself
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kim_Jong-il%27s_titles" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kim_Jong-il%27s_titles</a>

That_Annoying_Kid

yes but the elite of the country are generals who are 40+ years deep in the game of repping ultra hard for N. Korea


how would you feel if you punched your ticket your entire life and bratty youngest stupid son of FEARLESS LEADER gets to take over


how long before you and the other generals plan a coup?

Sops

Well if they were planning a coup now is the time.

But if the general population is as brainwashed as they act in front of the cameras it would be difficult for anyone other then Un to take control of the country without a major upset, but then again maybe the population is so pacified they wouldn't do anything.

There are just so many unknowns when it comes to NK.

Edit: Un is also the youngest of three brothers so he is probably the least bratty of the bunch.

Thansal

Well, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/21/us-korea-north-exclusive-idUSTRE7BK0FX20111221?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher" target="_blank">Reuters</a> has a source that claims that Kim Jong-un is going to co-lead with a collection of Generals and other such people. The source is supposedly rather reliable.

Monkfish

Oh god, they've infiltrated the internet.

Noone is safe!

Run! run f-

Everything is fine. Nothing is broken. Carry on with your assigned tasks.

konata

I've always wondered if Korea uses www. or not.

Sops

Unsurprisingly people are trying to leave more then normal

<a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/12/north-korean-elite-may-flee-in-light-of-kim-jong-ils-death.html" target="_blank">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/...-ils-death.html</a>