Railings on Summit

Kalabalana

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but are we going to get new railings on summit that have proper collision boxes so rines can shoot through them properly?
Also, so skulks can interact with them properly like other map structures?

pSyk0mAn

Do all railings have these issues?

The props have correct physics, but only the railings in alien start have collision geometry for better skulk movement. Do the railings in alien start block bullets/ do skulks interact with them properly?

Kouji_San

Just and FYI there, CollisionGeometry stops bullets and particle weapons. Hence I posted a while back we need more types of "clipbrushing"

fmpone

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You're half right. What we also need is the ability to disable collisions on models so that the clip-brushes will supercede the model's natural collision settings.

konata

How is he half-right? He's fully right. You add collision geometry and it DOES stop bullets.

fmpone

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Nope. He's half right, and I explained why. This thread is called "Railings on Summit" -- say the hit-boxes and/or collision-boxes are too big on a rail model. You add fine-tuned brush versions of hit-brushes or colllision-brushes. Okay, but then the existing hit-box and collision-box for the rail is still there, meaning that it's more likely your bullets will hit those than the smaller, more detailed ones you created with brushes. This sort of thing happened in source all the time, and thus there was a setting called "disable physics" for props. That settings made models basically holograms with no physics or collisions, and then you'd use a "stop bullets" or a "nodraw" texture on a brush in order to stop bullets or players.

I.e. between disable physics and collision brushes, when the discussion is about props and prop collision issues, you'll need both to get the desired effect.

fmpone

So for Max if he'll ever read this:

-texture alignment tool
-disable physics option on props
-stop bullets and/or collision brushes

and I'll go ahead and add this:

-drawsight distance settings for entities like resource points. (the default ones are too short in distance)

Alchemda

That IS something interesting, trying to shoot skulks as a rine in ventilation is such a pain, it seems to hit the railing even though i'm shooting through the spaces in the railing. Same thing with the rail near resource node at rine spawn facing vent the raised railing.

It could just be my bad aim hah.

Kalabalana

Was hoping if there were any updates towards this issue?
Also of note is that skulks often cannot climb these railings, which is obviously a detriment to gameplay.

Koruyo

I would love if uwe added something, so you can shoot trough some objects like railings, cables or maybe even thin metal(like the bottom of the extended vent from heli to flight control) - counterstrike style.

I cant count how many times i wasted magazines shooting at invisible collision...

Kouji_San

Yeah, those are probably CollisionGeometry faces. Which block any projectile weaponry. We require more "cliptypes", but hey I'm repeating myself here :P

Kalabalana

Indeed, for example the wire/pipes near the upper vent in reactor is basically a massive invisible shield preventing players from shooting aliens up there.