Ammo and HP ring on rines

KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
Would like in commander view to see HP rings at all time, would also possibly like an ammo/armor ring

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  • RichardRahlRichardRahl Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104594Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1867498:date=Aug 8 2011, 02:42 PM:name=Kalabalana)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kalabalana @ Aug 8 2011, 02:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1867498"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Would like in commander view to see HP rings at all time, would also possibly like an ammo/armor ring<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    For once we agree on something.
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
  • Dank McShwaggerDank McShwagger Join Date: 2009-06-10 Member: 67784Members
    If im not mistaken I think they already display HP rings.

    Ammo count and a clearer Weapon layout indicator would be nice. From the comms perspective the marines are a little too small for me to see what weapon they are wielding at first glance, requires a bit of squinting sometimes.
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    edited August 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1867509:date=Aug 8 2011, 03:12 PM:name=Dank McShwagger)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dank McShwagger @ Aug 8 2011, 03:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1867509"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If im not mistaken I think they already display HP rings.

    Ammo count and a clearer Weapon layout indicator would be nice. From the comms perspective the marines are a little too small for me to see what weapon they are wielding at first glance, requires a bit of squinting sometimes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    HP rings are currently displayed on individually selected marines. I would prefer these rings always be apparent along with maybe an armor and ammo ring as well. Maybe Green for health, blue for armor, and white/gray for ammo.\


    Or maybe make all rings visible by holding down the left alt key (or toggling), to reduce the screen footprint when you don't need to see that info.
  • IactoIacto Join Date: 2010-11-23 Member: 75209Members
    I don't like having three rings, it makes it difficult to see what's going on, nothing wrong with having two rings, one for health + armour (as it is currently), then another for ammo. Do want this.
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    edited August 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1867579:date=Aug 8 2011, 06:03 PM:name=Iacto)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Iacto @ Aug 8 2011, 06:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1867579"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't like having three rings, it makes it difficult to see what's going on, nothing wrong with having two rings, one for health + armour (as it is currently), then another for ammo. Do want this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This can all be done with a single "ring" with just color wheels inside. As long as the colours conflict with each other it will have the same footprint as the current implementation, but with more information. Or it can divvy up the ring space to have a section for armor, a section for hp, and an outside full size ring for ammo.

    The possibilities are there, if you can imagine them.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I'd like the current marine name, health, armor, and ammo to be toggleable (i.e. between always on and only when selected). Also, when marines are selected, I'd like to see their current orders.

    Though, I would settle for fixing the bug that shows the same health/armor ring of the first marine selected for all of the marines selected.
  • ZurikiZuriki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75105Members
    edited August 2011
    I think 50/50 ring where half is armor, half is health and then a thin outer ring for ammo. That would be ideal for me. But a feature I would definitely like to see.

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  • MrGreenMrGreen Join Date: 2010-12-10 Member: 75602Members
    Perhaps only show the ring when they are on low health/ammo.

    Or perhaps only show the ring with the comm mouse cursor is nearby or over the marine(s), it could be like a fading in effect - that might be getting too fancy.

    Perhaps the ring doesn't need to be so wide, but more around the feet of the marine.
    That way it won't look silly when they all bunch up.
  • IactoIacto Join Date: 2010-11-23 Member: 75209Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1867656:date=Aug 9 2011, 02:46 AM:name=Zuriki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zuriki @ Aug 9 2011, 02:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1867656"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think 50/50 ring where half is armor, half is health and then a thin outer ring for ammo. That would be ideal for me. But a feature I would definitely like to see.

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  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    I like this show under certain conditions rule.

    How about we only show the relevant ring data when not at 100%? Should reduce clutter, and focus the commander's attention to those who need it.
  • HakujinHakujin Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16157Members, Constellation
    Good thread -- I like where we ended up with a minimal combined ring, that shows when not at 100%. Consensus on the NS2 forums?!?!!?!?
  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    I also wanted this always for ns1. now, thanks to lua, i could implement it myself and send it to uwe ^^

    so, anything additional? I assume there should be an option in the menu "always show health rings"
    maybe we could also add a "request icon" if the marine requested ammo / health / orders etc. next to his health ring
  • IactoIacto Join Date: 2010-11-23 Member: 75209Members
    Perhaps an icon above his head? Also; slightly off-topic, but I want to be able to press space to go to the latest alert.
  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps an icon above his head?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    an icon of the weapon he / she is carrying, as well as equipment. i think other than field players, comms should / can have their view filled with additional information instead of keeping it minimal
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited August 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1868025:date=Aug 10 2011, 08:47 AM:name=Schimmel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Schimmel @ Aug 10 2011, 08:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1868025"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I also wanted this always for ns1. now, thanks to lua, i could implement it myself and send it to uwe ^^

    so, anything additional? I assume there should be an option in the menu "always show health rings"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Don't bother with the option for now, it's unlikely that any commander will want it off any more than the rest of his HUD, and it can always be added later.
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    edited August 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1868025:date=Aug 10 2011, 03:47 AM:name=Schimmel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Schimmel @ Aug 10 2011, 03:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1868025"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I also wanted this always for ns1. now, thanks to lua, i could implement it myself and send it to uwe ^^

    so, anything additional? I assume there should be an option in the menu "always show health rings"
    maybe we could also add a "request icon" if the marine requested ammo / health / orders etc. next to his health ring<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    An idea: The corresponding ring data on that person flashes. So if he requests a medpack, his health ring data flashes.

    Also maybe drops become "sticky" to the person who requests/needs them. Drop them close and the person who needs it gets it.

    As for the weapon a soldier is using, maybe we can now use a button to flash that data, maybe left alt, and an icon appears next to the person of the equipment/weapon(s) they are using.
  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    i was thinking about adding buttons to the marines directly. "Medpack Supply" "Ammo Supply" "Catpack Supply". Instead of generating a pack, you supply the selected marine(s) directly. this could also be done for whole groups of marines (of course the costs are multiplied by the number of supplies, for 3 injured marines you still need 3 res)

    this feature would be a nice assistance for new commanders, or for people who have a bad "medpack aim" or don't want to smash their buttons to create medpack carpets.
    the normal "drop" functionality would still be required as preemptive supply
  • IactoIacto Join Date: 2010-11-23 Member: 75209Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1868302:date=Aug 11 2011, 09:13 AM:name=Schimmel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Schimmel @ Aug 11 2011, 09:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1868302"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i was thinking about adding buttons to the marines directly. "Medpack Supply" "Ammo Supply" "Catpack Supply". Instead of generating a pack, you supply the selected marine(s) directly. this could also be done for whole groups of marines (of course the costs are multiplied by the number of supplies, for 3 injured marines you still need 3 res)

    this feature would be a nice assistance for new commanders, or for people who have a bad "medpack aim" or don't want to smash their buttons to create medpack carpets.
    the normal "drop" functionality would still be required as preemptive supply<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm not sure about this, I think if you chucked in an 'instant heal' then marines could be basically invincible. I do however, like the idea of being able to supply directly to squads (when they get properly implemented), so it puts medpacks in the middle of squads, and you can still carpet-pack.

    But you're the Lua genius, I'll let you handle it :P
  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    edited August 2011
    im far away from being a genius, far far away.

    I think medpack carpets are worse (for the aliens) than "direct heals". and you could heal up entire squads more easy, which is little bit stressful at the moment

    edit: and uwe anyway doesn't want the comms main task to be supplying the marines with medpacks. one thing to keep sure: make the "supply" button always consume res, even if players are on full HP / ammo. otherwise you simply select all marines and spam the supply button (which would be a quite powerful feature :D )
  • RobBRobB TUBES OF THE INTERWEB Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19423Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited August 2011
    <div align='center'><img src="http://oi56.tinypic.com/9k8fev.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></div>
    That'd be my implementation for hp/armor/ammo rings

    top: hp, left: armor, right: primary weapon (icon current weapon), bottom: secondary weapon (pistol).

    the colors ARE sucky, I am not a cg artist so live with it.

    <a href="http://oi56.tinypic.com/9k8fev.jpg" target="_blank">here</a> is the direct link so you can look at the small, black icons in the center
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    This was more of what I had in mind, I did a quick mock up in GIMP, not really an artist so please bear with me.
    Basic ring outline:
    <img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusnormal.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    In green we have your HP (20HP blocks), and in blue we have your armor (blocks are Armor tech+1, representing each upgrade and your natural armor). In orange is your secondary ammo, purple your primary.
    Health changes color as you drop down:
    <img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusH2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusH3.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusH4.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    Also again, armor starts with a single block to represent your starting armor, and gets a new block of value equivalent to the armor upgrade it represents:
    <img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusA0.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusA1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusA2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusnormal.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    Also, I have a special lower bar for the grenade launcher as it's ammo setup is unique:
    <img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/Kalabalana/SoldierStatusGL.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    Notice the gl bar, with 1 bar for each grenade that person is carrying.
  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    looks somehow confusing (i understand it, but whats about new coms?)
    too much info at ones. Look at StarCraft 2: ONE bar at the top of a unit, combined with color from green to red (health) then pink is usually energy, and ok, protos have aswell blue for shields. but for standard units you have 1 bar.

    you dont need to see the armor % of any marine as comm. you cannot repair it, why show it?
    primary and secondary ammo: why show both? if you supply the marine with ammo, he will get the ammo for the weapon he currently has active. so you only need to show the ammo of the active weapon. that leaves you with 2 bars (or circles), which is much compacter and less confusing (health and ammo).

    the alien comm might have some option to boost the energy of some units (as counterpart for ammo packs?) and also maybe heal?, so you would also see only 2 bars there as well: health + energy.
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    Armor should be on it, commander needs to know what he's working with, who needs repair, the current state of his rines, their effectiveness.

    So I could see taking out the secondary ammo bar, but everything else needs to stay.
  • ZurikiZuriki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75105Members
    edited August 2011
    This was my idea:

    <img src="http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/8/22323545017.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    Maybe with ammo on the outside instead, who knows...

    Obviously extremely rough concept. I wanted to limit the number of circles but I didn't want to clutter the halo with too many values on one circle.

    Ammo accounts for both primary and secondary ammo but NOT pistol ammo.
  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    edited August 2011
    for armor i understand that it would be nice to see it (even if you cannot do anything about it, mac welding maybe?).
    What you think about using the health bar (as it is, a full circle) but make the armor be an additional grey circle around it, and it thickness represents how much armor is left. It would look more intuitive, since the armor is protecting the marine / alien, so make the armor display a circle around the health bar seems logical to me

    oh, and for ammo: you could also display an icon of the weapon currently active above the marines head, next to it a vertical bar indicating the ammo.
  • ZurikiZuriki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75105Members
    Or you know, it doesn't even have to be a circle. We could just as easily have health bars, you know, the good old fashioned way.
  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members
    edited August 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1868727:date=Aug 13 2011, 03:33 AM:name=Zuriki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zuriki @ Aug 13 2011, 03:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1868727"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Or you know, it doesn't even have to be a circle. We could just as easily have health bars, you know, the good old fashioned way.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, a little rectangular meter below the rines would work, so would a horseshoe shape around the rine, only using visible space.
  • RobBRobB TUBES OF THE INTERWEB Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19423Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    another idea: a blue glow (orange for aliens) around the marine for their armor, a shadow overlay that displays health "flowing out" (imagine: bottle of water, turn up side down; water level = hp)
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