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RichardRahl
Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104594Members
Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104594Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">and not the game.</div><a href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3427866&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1" target="_blank">http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthrea...mp;pagenumber=1</a>
Read this and was utterly disgusted and glad idon't like in the mighty usa
Read this and was utterly disgusted and glad idon't like in the mighty usa
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Corporations ruin everything here, and everyone acts blind to it.
Its true, look at walmart. Here you make $8 a hour and hate your job. Minimum benefits, no reason to excel and understand what you sell to help customers, no decent promotions, horrible vacation time, and they even try to keep it so low that you get government assistance to make up for what they don't give you. That whole time, one store rakes in millions a year.
In Germany, their unionized and its actually just the opposite of what I just said, yet they still do good as a business until they tried to run it under to get rid of the union they had in place. Its pretty disgusting what companies get away with here. Same goes for Best Buy (I worked for them, trust me I know) and just about any other large retail chain.
Hmm
I'm going to test this by running down the road naked and seeing whether I get run over/cease to exist because me running down the road naked is bad for other people.
*SLAP*
I WANT NAMES!!
Anyway, you need to strike like the West Virginia miners did. Stockpile machine guns and grenades and then hole up in the mountains. Course there is that messy business of shooting scabs. But, hey, no one's really right here, are they?
On a serious note, it's when unions end up pushing around the workers just as much as the company when you need to take a step back and think about it.
As far as the article, Cedar Point doesn't even have any good rides. Screw that place.
Not sure if it is legal but it certainly isn't ethical.
There is regulated minimum wages which all companies have to abide by, along with giving a mandatory 9% extra to wages for superannuation for Australian citizens to a respective superannuation company which they withhold for future retirement funds for the employee. This is all constantly monitored and if you are caught going against any of these things the company will suffer some very heavy fines for it and are tagged in breach of government laws and regulations. We even have laws to protect peoples gender, race and religion, the Australian Government is very strict in providing equality within the work place and discrimination is strictly not tolerated.
I doubt any company here would last long if they did what that company did and was reported for it.
A factory for car parts had to close down and the management tried to fire everyone without paying them any compensation. The compensation for a regular worker was like 30.000 € depending on how long you've worked there. So, the French workers decided that don't fly and they wired all the propane gas together and threatened to blow the place and an adjacent hall full of car parts, worth 150 € million up....
The police came for a visit, cheered, brought them coffee and in the end they got their compensation.
###### yeah... that is all I have to say to that.
There is regulated minimum wages which all companies have to abide by, along with giving a mandatory 9% extra to wages for superannuation for Australian citizens to a respective superannuation company which they withhold for future retirement funds for the employee. This is all constantly monitored and if you are caught going against any of these things the company will suffer some very heavy fines for it and are tagged in breach of government laws and regulations. We even have laws to protect peoples gender, race and religion, the Australian Government is very strict in providing equality within the work place and discrimination is strictly not tolerated.
I doubt any company here would last long if they did what that company did and was reported for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well cobba, we are both part of the common wealth ;)
A factory for car parts had to close down and the management tried to fire everyone without paying them any compensation. The compensation for a regular worker was like 30.000 € depending on how long you've worked there. So, the French workers decided that don't fly and they wired all the propane gas together and threatened to blow the place and an adjacent hall full of car parts, worth 150 € million up....
The police came for a visit, cheered, brought them coffee and in the end they got their compensation.
###### yeah... that is all I have to say to that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good to know that in france, bomb threats are a valid method of getting what you want.
Some claim the unions are what drove Detroit to the ground since the labor costs and compensation eventually got too high, and the unions were so powerful they kept getting more.
Even worse can be public unions since you now have politicians sitting where the company is supposed to be, but they know and the unions know one of their main revenue points to run their campaigns is sitting on the opposite side of the table. Or even better, the union negociators is picked from people in or previously in the government. Instead of a dialogue with opposing values, you have something a tad more lopsided.
At the same time, unions have HUGE benefits. There's no way the average joe and jane can really file suit for better conditions against these groups.
While we indeed have laws and all, there is still some nasty stuff going on. <a href="http://www.radio-canada.ca/actualite/zonelibre/03-11/made_can.asp" target="_blank">This</a> came to mind immediately. (Sorry for the French, here's a direct link to <a href="http://translate.google.ca/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio-canada.ca%2Factualite%2Fzonelibre%2F03-11%2Fmade_can.asp" target="_blank">Google Translate</a>). I guess it's just not as rampant / obvious / frequent as someplace else, but still, it happens and it's disgusting, Commonwealth or not.
I'm a contractor for a major hospital in Louisville doing IT work. <i>I make $12/hr working on computer hardware and software that could potentially kill someone should I make a mistake, most that were hired with me make less</i>. Why? Because the hospital contracts out all their IT work rather than hire people directly, that contractor hires sub contractors, and in turn that sub contractor hires people who contract out themselves. That's right, I'm a self-employed contractor of a sub contractor of a contractor for a hospital. Why not just hire people and stop funneling the money to other people that literally do almost nothing? Honestly I love the job there. Its pretty rewarding and very laid back compared to anywhere else I've ever worked and I take it very seriously, but it feels like I have people dipping their hands into my pockets that shouldn't be.
They do it to work around our legal system, if something messes up it keeps it from being their fault. If they fire someone (because hey, who wants to stay at a job that goes nowhere?), that business won't have to pay unemployment. They don't have to worry about giving contractors health benefits, filing all the paperwork, or anything else that would be legally binding.
This is not the first job I've been stuck as a contractor like this, as a matter of fact I've done it nearly my entire career. Most places I've worked (the following doesn't apply to where I work now at all) have been factories that do some sort of electronics repair or refurbishment, and they do it to make huge earnings while screwing their customers. They push quotas so high that you hate your job, the quality becomes horrible because of this but yet people still buy their products until they catch on. Once they catch on, that factory loses their contract for the job and thus get rid of all their employees without any kind of compensation while they have the millions they made from driving dozens of contractors to work as hard as possible to get out as much product as they can regardless of quality. A good example of a company like this is Geek Squad.
tldr; Contracting takes pay from what should be a good salary job to almost minimum wadge.
Not what you want - what you're owed. It's an overreaction for sure, but it's only money, right? I'm assuming they only threatened to destroy material goods, not blow up people as well, and since the factory had already shown a casual disregard for money by refusing to pay their workers, surely destruction of property wouldn't bother them in the least.
Frankly if you commit what amounts to an act of terrorism, you aren't owed jack other than a boot to the face and a prison sentence.
Some claim the unions are what drove Detroit to the ground since the labor costs and compensation eventually got too high, and the unions were so powerful they kept getting more.
Even worse can be public unions since you now have politicians sitting where the company is supposed to be, but they know and the unions know one of their main revenue points to run their campaigns is sitting on the opposite side of the table. Or even better, the union negociators is picked from people in or previously in the government. Instead of a dialogue with opposing values, you have something a tad more lopsided.
At the same time, unions have HUGE benefits. There's no way the average joe and jane can really file suit for better conditions against these groups.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not true. It's like saying the water is hot because it's boiling, while ignoring the flames underneath. Even if Detroit workers were willing to accept the same working conditions as "developing" countries it would have to be made legal to do so and the places they work would have to become real ######holes in order for rent and other infrastructure costs to level out.
Basically you need to create a capitalist dystopia in order for Detroit to work without unions. So that or tariffs could have "saved" Detroit and it looks like it's well on its way to the former.
Some contractors really roll in the dough though - the ones that are contracted straight to the company instead of through agencies/subcontractors. I worked at a big pharma company a while ago and knew a guy who was a full-time employee, quit his job, and contracted himself back to the same company to do the same job and like doubled his income. I wish I had the balls/know-how to do that.
Frankly if you commit what amounts to an act of terrorism, you aren't owed jack other than a boot to the face and a prison sentence.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about before that? Is it okay to deny people the wages they're owed based on the assumption that they'll probably do something in the future that forfeits their right to compensation in your mind?
The fact that the company did something unethical and possibly illegal doesn't change the fact that the workers elevated the situation to an act of terrorism.
If someone does something illegal you take them to court, you don't threaten to blow up a building.
"Unethical and illegal" is a good way of describing the company's actions though. At least we can agree on that.