Vents and gorges

kabab

Dear UNW team :D

Can we please adjust the gorges so they fit through vents :)

Much <3

Skipjack

take a number

PsiWarp

I actually think maybe infestation around a vent opening should let Gorges squeeze through :P

A[L]C

Lol yeah that happened to me... evolved in a vent... oh **** I can get out :(

assbda

yeah i miss the way you cant gestate to a gorge in a vent then start raining bilebombs down on sh*t

pSyk0mAn

I am actually surprised, because there is no mention of it in the mapping guidelines and I assumed the Gorge to be the same size as the Skulk while I was creating Summit.
Kinda hard to build a map with so many different player sizes especially regarding stuck spots :/

kabab

<!--quoteo(post=1856461:date=Jun 26 2011, 09:17 PM:name=pSyk0mAn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pSyk0mAn @ Jun 26 2011, 09:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856461"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am actually surprised, because there is no mention of it in the mapping guidelines and I assumed the Gorge to be the same size as the Skulk while I was creating Summit.
Kinda hard to build a map with so many different player sizes especially regarding stuck spots :/<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I was trying to bile from the vent in generator and i couldn't fit through :/ which is what inspired this thread.

NurEinMensch

Gorges and skulks and lerks should fit into the same vents imo. Crouching fades too.

Shrike3O

Fades are *huge* compared to those smaller lifeforms (and hell, Marines), and have some pretty flexible mobility options in the form of Blink. I don't think they need to be able to scoot down vents, too.

zastels

<!--quoteo(post=1856552:date=Jun 26 2011, 05:16 PM:name=NurEinMensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NurEinMensch @ Jun 26 2011, 05:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856552"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Gorges and skulks and lerks should fit into the same vents imo. Crouching fades too.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Crouching fade in a vent is a little too horrifying for me.

IeptBarakat

I loved the ns1 vent style where everything aside from onos could go through vents.

Made being near an open vent a scary place. And crawling through vents as a marine was a very claustrophobic and intense experience.

Racer1

As long as ducking means you move at around 50% of normal speed, I am fine with the larger lifeforms (not onos) squeezing into vents.

Deadzone

<!--quoteo(post=1856760:date=Jun 27 2011, 01:01 PM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Jun 27 2011, 01:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856760"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I loved the ns1 vent style where everything aside from onos could go through vents.

Made being near an open vent a scary place. And crawling through vents as a marine was a very claustrophobic and intense experience.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

^FTW
Even jetpacks and heavies could get in that vent, even though it didn't make the most "sense." If you were stuck in a vent without a jp as a marine, you KNEW you couldn't run from anything that caught you, and that was fun :3

Squeal_Like_A_Pig

We are looking into this now. It looks like the collision box for the gorge is taller then his actual 3rd person model, so once we adjust that, it should allow him to fit into vents. Fade crouch is also being fixed, and both crouching fades and marines will be able to fit into vents now, as well.

--Cory

Wiltdog

Yay,
Thanks Cory!

IeptBarakat

Awesome news, hopefully maps will be designed with a few vents accessible to marines and gorges. Or playerboosting.

Saint Raw

Spider Gorge, Spider Gorge,
Does whatever a Spider Gorge does,
Can he swing, from a web,
No he can't, he's a Gorge,
If he can, he's Spider Gorge!

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1856928:date=Jun 28 2011, 05:14 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jun 28 2011, 05:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856928"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We are looking into this now. It looks like the collision box for the gorge is taller then his actual 3rd person model, so once we adjust that, it should allow him to fit into vents. Fade crouch is also being fixed, and both crouching fades and marines will be able to fit into vents now, as well.

--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is the size in SparkE of the player/unit/building models representative of their actual size? If this is the case, we could add it to the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Basic_Mapping_Guidelines#Models" target="_blank">"models" section on the NS2 wiki</a>


<!--quoteo(post=1856946:date=Jun 28 2011, 06:36 PM:name=Saint Raw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Raw @ Jun 28 2011, 06:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856946"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Spider Gorge, Spider Gorge,
Does whatever a Spider Gorge does,
Can he swing, from a web,
No he can't, he's a Gorge,
If he can, he's Spider Gorge!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed, another reason why he needs webs :D

Chris0132

<!--quoteo(post=1856928:date=Jun 28 2011, 06:14 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jun 28 2011, 06:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856928"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We are looking into this now. It looks like the collision box for the gorge is taller then his actual 3rd person model, so once we adjust that, it should allow him to fit into vents. Fade crouch is also being fixed, and both crouching fades and marines will be able to fit into vents now, as well.

--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

While you're messing with the hitboxes, could you make the lerk one a bit bigger? It's really hard to hit while flying.

Align

Collision boxes aren't the same as hitboxes. Except in NS1.04, but that got fixed.
<!--quoteo(post=1856744:date=Jun 27 2011, 05:59 PM:name=Shrike3O)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shrike3O @ Jun 27 2011, 05:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856744"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fades are *huge* compared to those smaller lifeforms (and hell, Marines), and have some pretty flexible mobility options in the form of Blink. I don't think they need to be able to scoot down vents, too.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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CoolCookieCooks

I always thought the intention was for marines to not fit through vents in NS2.

Sewlek

me too, i liked the fact that vents in ns2 are skulks/gorge?/lerk terrain only.

IeptBarakat

Jetpack users were planned to be able to go through vents. So it's not that far to guess marines should fit in vents as well.

Nothing wrong with less restrictions.

NurEinMensch

Yay :)

Sewlek

<!--quoteo(post=1856974:date=Jun 28 2011, 03:45 PM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Jun 28 2011, 03:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1856974"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Jetpack users were planned to be able to go through vents. So it's not that far to guess marines should fit in vents as well.

Nothing wrong with less restrictions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

yeah, there is nothing wrong with less restriction. but currently im ok how things play out (no marines in vents). i dont miss it

Taxen0

unless there is ladders in the vents marines will have a problem unless they have jetpack, so skulks still have the upper hand there.
as they should.