Driver assaults dozens of cyclists in Brazil
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In an effort to keep the youtube thread devoted to youtube videos, I'd like to move discussion of this video to a new thread. Below follow quotes of relevant posts in the youtube thread. Of course, if a moderator could move those posts (minus the original video of course) over here, or perhaps better yet copy them, that'd be great.
<!--quoteo(post=1843189:date=Apr 29 2011, 09:57 PM:name=Sops)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sops @ Apr 29 2011, 09:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843189"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gY1sY8UDwjs"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gY1sY8UDwjs" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843220:date=Apr 29 2011, 11:43 PM:name=NeonSpyder)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeonSpyder @ Apr 29 2011, 11:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843220"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Man the worst part about that isn't the sonofa###### that plowed through dozens of people but the flood of comments on youtube <i>supporting</i> the driver with quotes like:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"they got what they deserve. who are they to block a public road and for what? for a ###### retard reason. I don't blame the owner of the golf he must coming back from work exhausted and wanting to return home quickly to rest but then he find this these hippies blocking the road."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Honestly, the cyclists are blocking important commutes by people working two or three jobs to provide for their families, (in Brazil no less) and nobody gives a ###### about that. The stress those people go through everyday, and everybody cries for justice when 40 cyclists get minor injuries."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I mean holy bleeding moly.
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<!--quoteo(post=1843232:date=Apr 30 2011, 01:45 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Apr 30 2011, 01:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843232"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, no I think the worst about it is the sonofa###### who plowed through dozens of people. Youtube ###### are just business as usual. Still, the attitudes on display are a bit troubling. I hope I never reach the point where I view anyone not inside my encapsulated vehicle as less than human.
It's one thing to disagree with those organised bike rides, and I think there is legitimate reason for complaint when the cyclists are blocking the road in both directions. But mowing them all down is completely out of the question and only widens the cyclist/driver divide.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843252:date=Apr 30 2011, 03:21 AM:name=That_Annoying_Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (That_Annoying_Kid @ Apr 30 2011, 03:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843252"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->some Brazilians must hate critical mass
hope they catch that ######, and I hope people get the pound of flesh<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843345:date=Apr 30 2011, 01:05 PM:name=ANeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ANeM @ Apr 30 2011, 01:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843345"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The youtube comments are not even the second worst thing (Though it is safe to say they are scum of the earth). The (second) worst thing is how the police are handling it. From the updates in the video description it sounds as if the police are shrugging it off on the basis that the protest was illegal. The organizers did not go through the proper channels to inform the city, and as such the city is more or less saying "This is what you get". This is not to say they have dropped the investigation entirely, but it is entirely half-hearted. The police had the identity of the driver on the 26th, but decided rather than bringing him in that they would wait for him to come forward voluntarily.
Furthermore, the Chief of Police is waiting to hear the drivers "version of the facts" to determine if it was intentional. I find it very hard to believe that he accidentally drove into a crowd of one hundred and fifty people. Unless it is legal to drive blind in Brazil there is really no excuse for this. The fact that the protest was illegal shouldn't allow this guy any sort of leniency for his actions. If the driver had a problem with the protest he should have called the police, and with any luck they'd have come down to deal with the issue. Much in the same way that if your loved ones were maliciously assaulted you would expect the police to do everything they could to track down and prosecute the assailant. It is like they are trying to set a precedent for vigilantism.
This is of course ignoring the fact that <b>they already have all the facts they need.</b> They have video evidence of the driver accelerating through the crowd. Even if it was some sort of accident he is still culpable for whatever Brazil has as an equivalent to Recklessness or Gross/Criminal Negligence.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843363:date=Apr 30 2011, 05:38 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Apr 30 2011, 05:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not defending the driver but I'm not surprised. You do need to leave room for each other on a road, for cars and cyclists. Not one or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843371:date=Apr 30 2011, 06:44 PM:name=Aldaris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aldaris @ Apr 30 2011, 06:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843371"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In what way are you not surprised?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843189:date=Apr 29 2011, 09:57 PM:name=Sops)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sops @ Apr 29 2011, 09:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843189"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gY1sY8UDwjs"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gY1sY8UDwjs" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843220:date=Apr 29 2011, 11:43 PM:name=NeonSpyder)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeonSpyder @ Apr 29 2011, 11:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843220"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Man the worst part about that isn't the sonofa###### that plowed through dozens of people but the flood of comments on youtube <i>supporting</i> the driver with quotes like:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"they got what they deserve. who are they to block a public road and for what? for a ###### retard reason. I don't blame the owner of the golf he must coming back from work exhausted and wanting to return home quickly to rest but then he find this these hippies blocking the road."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Honestly, the cyclists are blocking important commutes by people working two or three jobs to provide for their families, (in Brazil no less) and nobody gives a ###### about that. The stress those people go through everyday, and everybody cries for justice when 40 cyclists get minor injuries."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I mean holy bleeding moly.
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<!--quoteo(post=1843232:date=Apr 30 2011, 01:45 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Apr 30 2011, 01:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843232"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, no I think the worst about it is the sonofa###### who plowed through dozens of people. Youtube ###### are just business as usual. Still, the attitudes on display are a bit troubling. I hope I never reach the point where I view anyone not inside my encapsulated vehicle as less than human.
It's one thing to disagree with those organised bike rides, and I think there is legitimate reason for complaint when the cyclists are blocking the road in both directions. But mowing them all down is completely out of the question and only widens the cyclist/driver divide.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843252:date=Apr 30 2011, 03:21 AM:name=That_Annoying_Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (That_Annoying_Kid @ Apr 30 2011, 03:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843252"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->some Brazilians must hate critical mass
hope they catch that ######, and I hope people get the pound of flesh<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843345:date=Apr 30 2011, 01:05 PM:name=ANeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ANeM @ Apr 30 2011, 01:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843345"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The youtube comments are not even the second worst thing (Though it is safe to say they are scum of the earth). The (second) worst thing is how the police are handling it. From the updates in the video description it sounds as if the police are shrugging it off on the basis that the protest was illegal. The organizers did not go through the proper channels to inform the city, and as such the city is more or less saying "This is what you get". This is not to say they have dropped the investigation entirely, but it is entirely half-hearted. The police had the identity of the driver on the 26th, but decided rather than bringing him in that they would wait for him to come forward voluntarily.
Furthermore, the Chief of Police is waiting to hear the drivers "version of the facts" to determine if it was intentional. I find it very hard to believe that he accidentally drove into a crowd of one hundred and fifty people. Unless it is legal to drive blind in Brazil there is really no excuse for this. The fact that the protest was illegal shouldn't allow this guy any sort of leniency for his actions. If the driver had a problem with the protest he should have called the police, and with any luck they'd have come down to deal with the issue. Much in the same way that if your loved ones were maliciously assaulted you would expect the police to do everything they could to track down and prosecute the assailant. It is like they are trying to set a precedent for vigilantism.
This is of course ignoring the fact that <b>they already have all the facts they need.</b> They have video evidence of the driver accelerating through the crowd. Even if it was some sort of accident he is still culpable for whatever Brazil has as an equivalent to Recklessness or Gross/Criminal Negligence.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843363:date=Apr 30 2011, 05:38 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Apr 30 2011, 05:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not defending the driver but I'm not surprised. You do need to leave room for each other on a road, for cars and cyclists. Not one or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1843371:date=Apr 30 2011, 06:44 PM:name=Aldaris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aldaris @ Apr 30 2011, 06:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1843371"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In what way are you not surprised?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Comments
I do hope that, in addition to whatever other punishment is meted out, that man is banned from driving from life. He lacks the restraint to be allowed control of a machine that can murder people in seconds.
It's Brazil. Law enforcement isn't their forté.
apparently police know who the guy is, and he is set to surrender via lawyer. I also heard that he is claiming self defense???
someone told me about an NPR article on the subject
apparently police know who the guy is, and he is set to surrender via lawyer. I also heard that he is claiming self defense???
someone told me about an NPR article on the subject<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess if he was trapped in by them and some of them were trying to attack him, flooring his way through a crowd might possibly be thought of as self defence. Pretty specific circumstance though.
That said, I can see an occasional peaceful demonstration (as this appears to be), and the driver had NO EXCUSE to do as he did, just because he was being inconvenienced. Here in the US, bicycles are treated to similar right-of-way laws as cars; using a bike lane is a safety and courtesy measure. If a cyclist chooses to occupy a lane however, they may legally do so, much the same way a car does; including the slow-vehicle-yield laws. If more than 8 vehicles are waiting to pass a slower-moving vehicle (moving under the speed limit), the slower vehicle is legally required to use a turnout or pull to the side of the road to allow the faster vehicles to pass.
This is no less appalling than the old people who drive through farmers' markets at times, because they don't notice that the road has been closed. Except this ***hole injured tens of people in a fit of self-important road rage. I'd expect this from some jack*** republican in an SUV.
Now now Talesin. That's getting a bit personal. I'm sure plenty of people are Republican and would take offense to that. How about just "some jackass in an SUV", possibly even from Surrey?
I propose a compromise:
"Some jackass republican from Surrey in an SUV."
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tbh it doesn't matter what kind of affiliation the driver had, he's a psychopath anyway.
Monkfish, remember when you asked me if I think a certain person is a sociopath and I said no? THIS guy is a sociopath.
some "mass holes" are cawks thou, but this appeared to be a light hearted ride thru the town
Critical mass can get ugly in SF, I'm pretty sure that is why they banned critical mass in Portland
in my small town stupid cops tried to arrest/cite everyone in the mass (200 people) until someone quoted chapter and verse at the watch commander and they realized they were opening the department up to huge legal ramifications
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for me it's really hard to re watch that video, especially when you hear the indignation and cries rise up from the group after dude drives thru. The old lady is especially wrenching to watch, and the overall group reaction is emotionally rough. Either way konoha is just being a slapcawk, and I take everything he says with a grain of salt. That being said die in fire with your disrespect for human life no matter what side of bike vs car they are on
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also
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1. If you don't genuinely feel that way, Congratulations! You are poor Internet poster #3,271,712,110 attempting to be funny through shock humour. Shame we all got over that back in 2006.
2. If you genuinely feel that way, you probably should consider psychiatric help.
On topic. I'd choose to charge the Golf driver with attempted homicide, because there's very little way you can pretend he might expect any other outcome from the action of driving a car through a group of pushbikes, and probably push for a permanent ban from operating a motor vehicle along the way. If he'd been behind the bikes and been trying to get by, I'd have at least hoped there'd be some civil option to let a car through, but it still wouldn't even come close to justification.
I noticed you say illegally
In the CA it's not illegal, we have California Vehicle Code 21202 (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: (1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction. (2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane. (4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized. (b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway of a highway, which highway carries traffic in one direction only and has two or more marked traffic lanes, may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of that roadway as practicable.
California Vehicle Code 21208 a) Whenever a bicycle lane has been established on a roadway, any person operating a bicycle upon the roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction shall ride in the bicycle lane, except under the following situations.
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When overtaking or passing another bicycle, vehicle, or pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if such overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane.
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When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
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When necessary to leave the lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions.
b) No operator of a bicycle shall leave a bicycle lane until it can be done safely and then only after giving an appropriate hand signal in the event that any vehicle might be affected by the movement.
which provides the legal framework for critical mass
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass</a>
I'm only as crazy as you think I am.
Believe it was illegal in Brazil.
It was not right for the driver to harm the cyclists but from what I have been reading about Critical Mass they go out of their way to piss off every motorist and are just asking for confrontation, what did they expect?
Like I said it was not right for the driver to run through the crowd but you can not get around the fact that CM riders are ###### idiots and the only thing they are accomplishing is to deepen the divide between drivers and cycles.
With that said, I bike everywhere I can and being hit by a car is a huge fear, since maybe 10% of drivers even notice you are there, with another 10% literally going out of their way to try and kill you.
Like I said it was not right for the driver to run through the crowd but you can not get around the fact that CM riders are ###### idiots and the only thing they are accomplishing is to deepen the divide between drivers and cycles.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And again your focus is on protesters who, even if you disagree with them, even if they behave rudely, are not trying to end someone's life. Does that concept mean something to you? Ending a life? That isn't a small thing, and it is not something that should be done if there is another way. In this case there was no excuse, stop trying to make any.
You wouldn't say "yeah but she was wearing a miniskirt" if you heard about a woman who was raped, would you? In a modern world, a woman should be able to wear a miniskirt without fear of rape, and without people using it as an excuse to justify the rapist's actions. In a modern world, a man should be able to ride a bike without fear of attempted manslaughter. Even if blocking the street is an offense, it is not an offense worthy of the death penalty. Stop trying to make excuses for a guy who tried to kill people for no reason.
Save your contempt for the aggressor rather than the victims.
Regardless, he deserves the stiffest penalty applicable, if/when he is tried.
The instigator of what? Violence? There's nothing to pretend. They didn't instigate violence, and violence was yet visited upon them. That makes the car driver the instigator. Stop trying to excuse his actions. His response to whatever inconvenience was imposed on him was too disproportionate for excuses.
Regardless, he deserves the stiffest penalty applicable, if/when he is tried.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's like saying that if I see someone stealing a radio out of a car, it'd be "vigilantism" for me to napalm his face off.
That's just nonsense. It's not "being a vigilante" if you slam a car through a crowd of non-violent people, whether they're causing a legal obstruction or not. Don't defame the honour of Batman by comparing him to this lunatic.
That's just nonsense. It's not "being a vigilante" if you slam a car through a crowd of non-violent people, whether they're causing a legal obstruction or not. Don't defame the honour of Batman by comparing him to this lunatic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly, this would be more likely serious business for the Joker!