<!--quoteo(post=1825060:date=Jan 17 2011, 03:39 PM:name=Koruyo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Koruyo @ Jan 17 2011, 03:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825060"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->See broadband, you dont need scripts. So be happy with your mousewheel.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1825084:date=Jan 17 2011, 04:25 PM:name=zex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zex @ Jan 17 2011, 04:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825084"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->lol your posts in this thread are a wall of text copypasta spam, "gorge furry model lua script with custom rubber duckhunt ###### shooter aimbot," accusing people who don't cheat of being too lazy to find cheats ("you're asking to be unburdened"), and accusing anyone who you disagree with of trolling by repeatedly spamming the same phrase... ironic!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
is this an excuse for you not being a very good player? i think it is.
Ok guys this thread was not meant to vent your spleens.
If you like scripts, just tell us you do and why you do. Or don't post here.
As a summary so far, all of the scripters here started to be offending at some point. All non-scripters stayed cool. Maybe that says something, maybe not.
Stop abusing my thread to compensate small genitals...or whatever you are trying to do here.
<!--quoteo(post=1825102:date=Jan 17 2011, 11:08 PM:name=countbasie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (countbasie @ Jan 17 2011, 11:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825102"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a summary so far, all of the scripters here started to be offending at some point. All non-scripters stayed cool. Maybe that says something, maybe not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1825102:date=Jan 18 2011, 12:08 AM:name=countbasie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (countbasie @ Jan 18 2011, 12:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825102"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a summary so far, all of the scripters here started to be offending at some point. All non-scripters stayed cool. Maybe that says something, maybe not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would be careful with the word "all".
I seriously do not care why some people religiously believe scripts are evil to a point where do not even bother to check them out or understand the function. Scripts are bound to be in NS2 regardless of what we argue, most important point is that we add the value they added to the game by default so that players who are not motivated or just lazy can experience them too. For example skulk bunnyhob script with "space key" would add tremendous ease with the timings and eventually people would notice momentum they gain from jumping and develop their own kind of jumping. You do not practice countless hours for bhop, you experiement and develop it as you play, simply by moving from place to place or perhaps trick jumps?
There is no reason to dis-allow scripts, they offer no advantage in the end. People who spend hours searching google for scripts to get better are wasting their time, as the point of scripts is not to give a player an advantage. Take the TFC script to +reload after every shot, after playing the game for a decent amount of time, you will be able to instictively press r to reload instantly after every shot. People tend to associate scripting with alot of bad things, all of which are no longer true, or are simply false. Originally as posted before, scripts could be used to do alot more things, which did offer an advantage. Once _special was disabled, all those scripts no longer worked. Alot of people think scripts can make you aim better, and I challenge you to give one clear example of this, as it is completely untrue. People think that they can give you an advantage in movement, and again, i challenge you to provide one clear example of this. Wigglewalking can give you a speed boost, however wallstrafing is faster yet, and wigglwalking floods your command buffer preventing you from performing other actions, and in general is not worth it.
To everyone that keeps saying disallow scripts, or how bad they are, show me, and everyone else, a clear example of game breaking scripts, that you can prove is done via a script, and not a macro/cheat.
<!--quoteo(post=1825105:date=Jan 17 2011, 11:26 PM:name=TrC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TrC @ Jan 17 2011, 11:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825105"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You do not practice countless hours for bhop, you experiement and develop it as you play, simply by moving from place to place or perhaps trick jumps?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think I can count the hours of doing that, but of course I practice, too. And that's the point. When Bhop is hard to do, then it is meant to be hard to do. You can practice it or not. By default the jump key is meant to say "jump". Not "jumpjumpjump" in under half a second. There is no manual made by the devs to change that, you even have no value in the menue, so it is not meant to be changed. The computer times the jump for you. That is a cheat. Edit: being able to bind your mousewheel is a gap, not a feature.
To MKK_bitestuff:
Pistol script makes you aim better. Not having to click rapidly makes your hand stiller. Bhop scripts make bhops easier. And I'm not only talking about those scripts, as I stated, I also mean commands like updaterate. You and I know, that this has a huge impact on the hit detection.
You challenge me to prove something, but why do people want to use scripts and those commands? Why? Is it not to have an advantage in comparison to the game how it is meant to be accepted? When it does not have any advantage, why would anyone use them. It makes the game easier for them.
Again, I ask for not allowing them. You say it does not make a difference. So why do you care?
Maybe you are right and I really shouldn't care. That's possible. But I always have this feeling when someone shoots the pistol like the lmg....that I'd like to do this, too...but then again it is the computer doing that....feels like a cheat to me....and it probably is.....and not hitting people because of their rates....don't want to configure it, because I have better things to do...
I think it is not asked to much to have a fair game only by starting it.
I think scripts were always a part of the shooter scene so they should be in. But also there always were limitatins which later were set up by the "professional scene" or better: clans and leagues which then kinda evolved to a status quo regarding what is script and what is cheat. I'm pretty sure this will happen with NS2 and someone will write a tool that checks for "illegal" scripts. But given the fact that in NS2 the community is quiet close to the devs I think that <b>if</b> there are major problems with scripts being "cheat like", the devs can and will remove those.
It does not really matter if something is possible with scripts or not. If you have to break your neck doing something, it's meant to be that hard. Pressing a simple button to do what the average player cant do is cheating.
I'm not against tweaking command- and update rates, as the internet service and carrier quality differs from region to region, but stuff like the pistol script are on the "bad pages" in my book (i shot the pistol faster than any script (ab)user could, when it got rof capped i was pissed).
<!--quoteo(post=1825113:date=Jan 18 2011, 12:16 AM:name=Hellabean)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hellabean @ Jan 18 2011, 12:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825113"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->UWE could have disallowed scripts at almost any point in Natural Selection's development<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's good to know, hopefully they will disallow scripts in NS2. I want to point out to you that UW could have made the pistol rapidfire, or made guns automatically reload after every shot, or made 'jump' auto-bunnyhop, and so on and so forth, but they made an intentional decision to design the game in a different way. So why is it so difficult to understand why people want to play the game as UW designs it rather than play it however it can be hacked to work by people who are desperate for an advantage to make up for their lack of skill?
Definitely the reaction I'd expect from someone who needs scripts to play and is terrified at the suggestion that their crutch should be taken away.
edit LOL- <!--quoteo(post=1825118:date=Jan 18 2011, 12:25 AM:name=Mkk_Bitestuff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mkk_Bitestuff @ Jan 18 2011, 12:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I used scripts in the game to make general play easier<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A pistol script making your hand stiller is untrue, thats all about your aiming skill and focus in the end. As for the 3 jump script bound to spacebar, that provides no advantage over mousewheel, and isnt even needed if your timing is good.
Changing commands like updaterate/cmdrate on attack or on the fly is considered exploiting. Obviously these commands NEED to be adjustable to a point, do you think a user with dial up or IDSN can send/receive as much as fast as someone with cable/dsl?
I used scripts in the game to make general play easier for my style of play. Meaning I reconfigured keys for specific classes and lifeforms. It does not give you an advantage in the game, it simply makes it easier to play the game the way you want to. Making the game easier to play, and giving players a competitive/skill advantage are two different things. You can give someone a 3 jump script that is bad at bunnyhopping, and maybe they will be able to slowly bhop along, however they will still lack the air control and movement to fully utilize that ability, all which comes from practice and skill, regardless of how you are executing it.
Regarding pistol scripts and shooting like lmg, alot of that comes from focus and skill. Its not simply mashing the button as fast as you can, it’s all about timing the shots and tracing your target, all which takes skill with or without a pistol script.
I used the pistol script, and honestly I do better without it, I found myself hitting the speed cap and only shooting one shot anyways.
<!--quoteo(post=1825115:date=Jan 17 2011, 05:22 PM:name=RobB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RobB @ Jan 17 2011, 05:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825115"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It does not really matter if something is possible with scripts or not. If you have to break your neck doing something, it's meant to be that hard. Pressing a simple button to do what the average player cant do is cheating.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The average player can do it, scripts follow the same limits of speed and timing that normal mouse clicks do. It's fully possible for the average player to click or mousewheel the ability as quickly as a script, and many do so. Additionally, if the developers designed the game to have them enabled it's not cheating by definition.
This thread is superflous. It's like arguing if the bottle is half full or half empty. Both parties will not see the arguments of the other side to be valid.
On Topic >>> <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro--> Counterquestion:
<!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Why should scripts be in? Why do you think its needed?<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--> I dont see any use besides bypassing gamemechanics (auto buy a weapon and close the armory instantly, instead of beeing vulnerable for 2-3s) or exploiting stuff etc.
Scripting is not for lazy ppl its to gain advantages over others. => softhack, still.
If you allow it, its getting a requirement -> you need to do it to not have a disadvantage => removing this => everybody happy. You cant restrict it to not gain an advantage, its the whole purpose of it to gain an advantage/speed up because it automates stuff so you dont have to do it the normal way. So instead learning to be fast at the armory, you just ignore this requirement and use a script.
If you care about fairness/equality you wouldnt care about scripts.
IF devs want you, to be able to bypass stuff like my armory example they should build it in themself making hotkeys in a clear options menu average joe can and will use in every game. And not make them deal with wikis and tutorials or hours of google to find out how to do it, and what is possible.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--quoteo(post=1825117:date=Jan 17 2011, 05:25 PM:name=zex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zex @ Jan 17 2011, 05:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825117"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's good to know, hopefully they will disallow scripts in NS2. I want to point out to you that UW could have made the pistol rapidfire, or made guns automatically reload after every shot, or made 'jump' auto-bunnyhop, and so on and so forth, but they made an intentional decision to design the game in a different way. So why is it so difficult to understand why people want to play the game as UW designs it rather than play it however it can be hacked to work by people who are desperate for an advantage to make up for their lack of skill?
Definitely the reaction I'd expect from someone who needs scripts to play and is terrified at the suggestion that their crutch should be taken away.
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Reading comprehension is difficult these days apparently. They obviously could have taken the game in several different directions, including the scenarios you listed. But they made a conscious decision to allow scripting by building in a blockscripts command. For the record, they did have auto jump bunnyhops and auto fire pistols in game, they were called _special scripts. They made a developmental decision to disallow their use, just like they made a decision to allow the use of normal scripts.
<!--quoteo(post=1825122:date=Jan 17 2011, 06:33 PM:name=Hellabean)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hellabean @ Jan 17 2011, 06:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825122"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Reading comprehension is difficult these days apparently. They obviously could have taken the game in several different directions, including the scenarios you listed. But they made a conscious decision to allow scripting by building in a blockscripts command. For the record, they did have auto jump bunnyhops and auto fire pistols in game, they were called _special scripts. They made a developmental decision to disallow their use, just like they made a decision to allow the use of normal scripts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This Hellabean character couldn't beat me 1 v 1 even while scripting. Whatup?
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<!--quoteo(post=1825106:date=Jan 17 2011, 05:27 PM:name=meb2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (meb2 @ Jan 17 2011, 05:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825106"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->u rly think this topic hasnt been debated thought about and philosophized for eons already
u have alraedy been proven wrong so u will be best served by rereading my posts and discovering the errors of ur ways
i am done w/ u two trolls, plz try again in a month<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even though I try not to make a habit of reacting to off-topic stuff, I feel inclined to drop a dime here.
meb2, you <b>come across</b> as an <b>awful</b> person (Note, I used "come across", I'm not saying you <b>are</b>). On every turn, you seem to be looking for a way to act like a condescending little fsk, and honestly it gets <b>really old, really fast</b>. You act like you know it all, but obviously do not.
As a little personal reminder to you (and the other people with bad behaviour), a forum is used to <b>discuss</b> things. In order to have a decent discussion, you may express your own opinions, but it's very important to also allow others to do the same and to show <b>respect</b>. I <b>know</b> that people who act like you do often wave off comments like mine with some sarcastic comment, but still I post this, hoping that you at least try and see the light of reason.
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On topic; this discussion has indeed been done over and over, and over - and over. In the end, I agree with the OP (sorry scripters.. ;)). In a game like NS, I think it's up to the developers to balance the game, figure out ways for us to play it and adding opportunities to improve. This ensures that <b>any player</b>, be it a professional, amateur or plain noob, plays the game <b>as intended by the developers</b>, and no other way.
Yes, it's possible to macro things with external programs and the logitech (and these days razer too) gear. Myself, I always compare it to theft. Every convenience store is burdened by people who take things without paying. Just because this cannot be completely avoided, it doesn't mean that shopkeepers should make it easier to steal.
<!--quoteo(post=1825124:date=Jan 17 2011, 05:46 PM:name=Jerunk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerunk @ Jan 17 2011, 05:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825124"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This Hellabean character couldn't beat me 1 v 1 even while scripting. Whatup?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1825091:date=Jan 17 2011, 03:48 PM:name=countbasie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (countbasie @ Jan 17 2011, 03:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825091"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Funny. There's only one rule in this forum.
drfurious:
"If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all!"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> shut up
<!--quoteo(post=1825134:date=Jan 18 2011, 01:16 AM:name=Koruyo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Koruyo @ Jan 18 2011, 01:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825134"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Funny, no arguments anymore? Last resort is spamming and flaming? <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=112434&view=findpost&p=1825121" target="_blank">:(</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's actually a smart strategy, they are trying to take the thread off topic so it will be locked, because they are terrified that people are talking about removing their training wheels.
<!--quoteo(post=1825140:date=Jan 17 2011, 06:26 PM:name=zex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zex @ Jan 17 2011, 06:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825140"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's actually a smart strategy, they are trying to take the thread off topic so it will be locked, because they are terrified that people are talking about removing their training wheels.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> shut up
Your missing the point zex, but it doesn't matter since your mind is made up. I can guarantee you that anyone that beats you with scripts, will beat you without. They do not increase your skill, only make it easier to configure the game to your style of play. I play on servers that use mp_blockscipts 1, and it only serves as an annoyance to me, as I still get the same scores.
The reason this is generally such a terrible topic (and it still is) is because NS was a very skill based game. The players that were really good got accused of everything, and players at a lower level of skill invented tons of reasons why they were better (scripts). I can see that nothing has changed in this regard, and it most likely wont. Its an almost identical argument surrounding bunnyhop.
I do not know how you can be against config tuning, that is one of the best things about PC gaming vs console.
Regarding bypassing game mechanics, name a script in NS that bypasses a mechanic of the game? Is there a script to get out of webs sooner, get guns/ammo from comm?
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drfurious:
"If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all!"
lol *WHOOSH*
is this an excuse for you not being a very good player? i think it is.
If you like scripts, just tell us you do and why you do. Or don't post here.
As a summary so far, all of the scripters here started to be offending at some point. All non-scripters stayed cool. Maybe that says something, maybe not.
Stop abusing my thread to compensate small genitals...or whatever you are trying to do here.
Definitely says something lol
I would be careful with the word "all".
I seriously do not care why some people religiously believe scripts are evil to a point where do not even bother to check them out or understand the function. Scripts are bound to be in NS2 regardless of what we argue, most important point is that we add the value they added to the game by default so that players who are not motivated or just lazy can experience them too. For example skulk bunnyhob script with "space key" would add tremendous ease with the timings and eventually people would notice momentum they gain from jumping and develop their own kind of jumping. You do not practice countless hours for bhop, you experiement and develop it as you play, simply by moving from place to place or perhaps trick jumps?
u have alraedy been proven wrong so u will be best served by rereading my posts and discovering the errors of ur ways
i am done w/ u two trolls, plz try again in a month
To everyone that keeps saying disallow scripts, or how bad they are, show me, and everyone else, a clear example of game breaking scripts, that you can prove is done via a script, and not a macro/cheat.
I await your results.
I think I can count the hours of doing that, but of course I practice, too. And that's the point. When Bhop is hard to do, then it is meant to be hard to do. You can practice it or not. By default the jump key is meant to say "jump". Not "jumpjumpjump" in under half a second. There is no manual made by the devs to change that, you even have no value in the menue, so it is not meant to be changed. The computer times the jump for you. That is a cheat.
Edit: being able to bind your mousewheel is a gap, not a feature.
To MKK_bitestuff:
Pistol script makes you aim better. Not having to click rapidly makes your hand stiller.
Bhop scripts make bhops easier.
And I'm not only talking about those scripts, as I stated, I also mean commands like updaterate. You and I know, that this has a huge impact on the hit detection.
You challenge me to prove something, but why do people want to use scripts and those commands? Why? Is it not to have an advantage in comparison to the game how it is meant to be accepted? When it does not have any advantage, why would anyone use them. It makes the game easier for them.
Again, I ask for not allowing them. You say it does not make a difference. So why do you care?
Maybe you are right and I really shouldn't care. That's possible. But I always have this feeling when someone shoots the pistol like the lmg....that I'd like to do this, too...but then again it is the computer doing that....feels like a cheat to me....and it probably is.....and not hitting people because of their rates....don't want to configure it, because I have better things to do...
I think it is not asked to much to have a fair game only by starting it.
But given the fact that in NS2 the community is quiet close to the devs I think that <b>if</b> there are major problems with scripts being "cheat like", the devs can and will remove those.
If you have to break your neck doing something, it's meant to be that hard.
Pressing a simple button to do what the average player cant do is cheating.
I'm not against tweaking command- and update rates, as the internet service and carrier quality differs from region to region, but stuff like the pistol script are on the "bad pages" in my book (i shot the pistol faster than any script (ab)user could, when it got rof capped i was pissed).
That's good to know, hopefully they will disallow scripts in NS2. I want to point out to you that UW could have made the pistol rapidfire, or made guns automatically reload after every shot, or made 'jump' auto-bunnyhop, and so on and so forth, but they made an intentional decision to design the game in a different way. So why is it so difficult to understand why people want to play the game as UW designs it rather than play it however it can be hacked to work by people who are desperate for an advantage to make up for their lack of skill?
<!--quoteo(post=1825113:date=Jan 18 2011, 12:16 AM:name=Hellabean)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hellabean @ Jan 18 2011, 12:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825113"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->-snip-<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Definitely the reaction I'd expect from someone who needs scripts to play and is terrified at the suggestion that their crutch should be taken away.
edit LOL- <!--quoteo(post=1825118:date=Jan 18 2011, 12:25 AM:name=Mkk_Bitestuff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mkk_Bitestuff @ Jan 18 2011, 12:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I used scripts in the game to make general play easier<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Changing commands like updaterate/cmdrate on attack or on the fly is considered exploiting. Obviously these commands NEED to be adjustable to a point, do you think a user with dial up or IDSN can send/receive as much as fast as someone with cable/dsl?
I used scripts in the game to make general play easier for my style of play. Meaning I reconfigured keys for specific classes and lifeforms. It does not give you an advantage in the game, it simply makes it easier to play the game the way you want to. Making the game easier to play, and giving players a competitive/skill advantage are two different things. You can give someone a 3 jump script that is bad at bunnyhopping, and maybe they will be able to slowly bhop along, however they will still lack the air control and movement to fully utilize that ability, all which comes from practice and skill, regardless of how you are executing it.
Regarding pistol scripts and shooting like lmg, alot of that comes from focus and skill. Its not simply mashing the button as fast as you can, it’s all about timing the shots and tracing your target, all which takes skill with or without a pistol script.
I used the pistol script, and honestly I do better without it, I found myself hitting the speed cap and only shooting one shot anyways.
If you have to break your neck doing something, it's meant to be that hard.
Pressing a simple button to do what the average player cant do is cheating.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The average player can do it, scripts follow the same limits of speed and timing that normal mouse clicks do. It's fully possible for the average player to click or mousewheel the ability as quickly as a script, and many do so. Additionally, if the developers designed the game to have them enabled it's not cheating by definition.
<b>This is pointless</b>
Are you out of your mind? WTF is wrong with you?
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Counterquestion:
<!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Why should scripts be in? Why do you think its needed?<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
I dont see any use besides bypassing gamemechanics (auto buy a weapon and close the armory instantly, instead of beeing vulnerable for 2-3s) or exploiting stuff etc.
Scripting is not for lazy ppl its to gain advantages over others. => softhack, still.
If you allow it, its getting a requirement -> you need to do it to not have a disadvantage => removing this => everybody happy.
You cant restrict it to not gain an advantage, its the whole purpose of it to gain an advantage/speed up because it automates stuff so you dont have to do it the normal way.
So instead learning to be fast at the armory, you just ignore this requirement and use a script.
If you care about fairness/equality you wouldnt care about scripts.
IF devs want you, to be able to bypass stuff like my armory example they should build it in themself making hotkeys in a clear options menu average joe can and will use in every game.
And not make them deal with wikis and tutorials or hours of google to find out how to do it, and what is possible.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Same stays for config tuning.
Definitely the reaction I'd expect from someone who needs scripts to play and is terrified at the suggestion that their crutch should be taken away.
edit LOL-<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Reading comprehension is difficult these days apparently. They obviously could have taken the game in several different directions, including the scenarios you listed. But they made a conscious decision to allow scripting by building in a blockscripts command. For the record, they did have auto jump bunnyhops and auto fire pistols in game, they were called _special scripts. They made a developmental decision to disallow their use, just like they made a decision to allow the use of normal scripts.
This Hellabean character couldn't beat me 1 v 1 even while scripting. Whatup?
u have alraedy been proven wrong so u will be best served by rereading my posts and discovering the errors of ur ways
i am done w/ u two trolls, plz try again in a month<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even though I try not to make a habit of reacting to off-topic stuff, I feel inclined to drop a dime here.
meb2, you <b>come across</b> as an <b>awful</b> person (Note, I used "come across", I'm not saying you <b>are</b>). On every turn, you seem to be looking for a way to act like a condescending little fsk, and honestly it gets <b>really old, really fast</b>. You act like you know it all, but obviously do not.
As a little personal reminder to you (and the other people with bad behaviour), a forum is used to <b>discuss</b> things. In order to have a decent discussion, you may express your own opinions, but it's very important to also allow others to do the same and to show <b>respect</b>. I <b>know</b> that people who act like you do often wave off comments like mine with some sarcastic comment, but still I post this, hoping that you at least try and see the light of reason.
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On topic; this discussion has indeed been done over and over, and over - and over. In the end, I agree with the OP (sorry scripters.. ;)). In a game like NS, I think it's up to the developers to balance the game, figure out ways for us to play it and adding opportunities to improve. This ensures that <b>any player</b>, be it a professional, amateur or plain noob, plays the game <b>as intended by the developers</b>, and no other way.
Yes, it's possible to macro things with external programs and the logitech (and these days razer too) gear. Myself, I always compare it to theft. Every convenience store is burdened by people who take things without paying. Just because this cannot be completely avoided, it doesn't mean that shopkeepers should make it easier to steal.
you're a butt
You must remember me pal.
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shut up
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It's actually a smart strategy, they are trying to take the thread off topic so it will be locked, because they are terrified that people are talking about removing their training wheels.
shut up
The reason this is generally such a terrible topic (and it still is) is because NS was a very skill based game. The players that were really good got accused of everything, and players at a lower level of skill invented tons of reasons why they were better (scripts). I can see that nothing has changed in this regard, and it most likely wont. Its an almost identical argument surrounding bunnyhop.
I do not know how you can be against config tuning, that is one of the best things about PC gaming vs console.
Regarding bypassing game mechanics, name a script in NS that bypasses a mechanic of the game? Is there a script to get out of webs sooner, get guns/ammo from comm?