Translation of "Carbon"

korvo

<div class="IPBDescription">Refering to the NS2-Wiki</div>Hi all,
this topic refers to the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Main_Page" target="_blank">NS2-Wiki</a>, but it's no minor topic, so i want to discuss it in here.
Carbon has serveral meanings and in German (and maybe in other languages too) you have to precisise it. There are two fitting words - "Kohle" and "Kohlenstoff". The first word is associated in a technical or domestic way with the dirty black stuff you are fueling. The second word sounds scientifical and like you are working with it on the molecular level.
"Kohle" feels <b>hard and dirty</b> but very <b>familiar</b>, "Kohlenstoff" in that case would give a <b>soft</b> but <b>fresh and futuristical</b> feeling.
Using "Carbon" without to change it is worse: "Carbon" would be associated with "Carbonfasern" what means carbon fibr in particular - For this reason it should be translated on the Wiki.

Kouji_San

Hmm, Carbon (English) should be translated into Kohlenstoff, no idea why it is also called Kohle on the wiki as that would be coal right?

I'll remove Kohle from the translation then...

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon</a>
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlenstoff" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlenstoff</a>

vs

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal</a>
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohle" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohle</a>

korvo

<!--quoteo(post=1821286:date=Jan 4 2011, 12:18 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Jan 4 2011, 12:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1821286"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(...)
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon</a>
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlenstoff" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlenstoff</a>

vs

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal</a>
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohle" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohle</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Good point.

Tig

hard > soft.

edit: hard + dirty > soft but fresh

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1821733:date=Jan 5 2011, 06:58 PM:name=Tig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tig @ Jan 5 2011, 06:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1821733"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->hard > soft.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tell that to paper vs rock... I still don't get that XD

Chris0132

Surely carbon is just carbon, it's the name of a chemical element, I assume technetium doesn't have an alternate name in german?

Tig

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<img src="http://www.walkinginsquares.com/comics/wis_Paper-beats-rock.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

best i could find

Align

In Sweden, it's "bag", not "paper", which makes slightly more sense as at least you can put a rock in a bag... What were we talking about, again?

korvo

<!--quoteo(post=1821770:date=Jan 5 2011, 09:54 PM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Jan 5 2011, 09:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1821770"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Surely carbon is just carbon, it's the name of a chemical element, I assume technetium doesn't have an alternate name in german?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This question is solved, I had no idea the answer is as simple as Kouji_San showed me... xD

Corporal_Fortier

<!--quoteo(post=1821770:date=Jan 5 2011, 03:54 PM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Jan 5 2011, 03:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1821770"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Surely carbon is just carbon, it's the name of a chemical element, I assume technetium doesn't have an alternate name in german?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Many languages have their own name for many elements, for example Iron (Fe) would be "Fer" and "Eisen" in French and German respectively. Same goes with Nitrogen(N) / Azote / Stickstoff, Chlorine(Cl) / Chlore / Chlor, and many more. The "-um" suffix is now being used when naming new elements to avoid such differences I believe.

Align

I think he meant that the corresponding name of element should be used, not that different languages use the same names for the same thing.

Koruyo

I wouldnt translate everything word by word into german... carbon should stay carbon, as should plasma and most of the buildings. Especially MAC and ARC (the new MASC name)...

But if you want to change it, Kohlenstoff would be the right choice... since it wouldnt make a lot sense to build structures with kohle we are not in a steampunk universe...^^

RobB

I work in a chemo-technical environment, and we have heat exchangers that are named "Carbon Wärmetauscher" (they are coated with carbon fibers on the inside to minimize damage caused by thermal volume expansion).
I believe you can name it what you want.

darkyat

Please let "Carbon" be "Carbon" - take a look at:
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon</a>

Carbon is also valid and noone will say "Kohlenwasserstoff-Motorhaube" at a carbon-coated hood of a tuned car ;)

Kohlenstoff would be the valid translation for Carbon but it is a so called anglicism so Carbon would be fine ;)

Chris0132

I just figure that most people inclined to use chemical names would use the english names for them because scientists tend to be pretty multinational.

Many things in chemistry have specific international names anyway, like IUPAC organic molecule nomenclature.

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