<!--quoteo(post=1812156:date=Dec 1 2010, 02:10 AM:name=Drfuzzy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Drfuzzy @ Dec 1 2010, 02:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1812156"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Anyone heard what was leaked in the new wikileaks document? Apparently China is starting to turn its back to the DPRK<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't see why people are surprised at this. Economically and politically the West influences China day by day, the more China grows, the more Americanised it has become. In turn, it has no option but to become "more like us" in the West as it's one nation growing largely against many, economically, politically, it's sensible even if a bit of a curveball to Communist strategy.
What I've heard, unsourced: China sees NK's latest attack as "the behaviour of a spoiled child." China is probably not willing to lend military support to NK. China would accept a unified Korea under Seoul rule, as long as it wouldn't be hostile to China.
Other leaks include assessments of a large assortment of foreign leaders of state, often quite unflattering. This includes close allies of the U.S., and puts them in a quandary: Do they make a fuss (demand apologies etc.) and risk tensions, or do they brush it off and end up looking like bootlickers? Merkel and Westerwelle (german chancellor and vice-chancellor, respectively) have opted for the latter, much to everyone's complete lack of surprise.
I would be surprised if SK would actually be at all easy to invade even for a modern army with extensive supplies. Thinking about it logically I'd be surprised if they couldn't give even the US a run for their money.
SK is a pretty well developed country, and being the home of samsung does mean they get some <a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2132365054951907317#" target="_blank">pretty damn cool military technology</a> and they aren't exactly located in the most hospitable of locations, so it would make sense that they would have a strong military.
If israel can do it, I'm pretty sure south korea can do it better.
<!--quoteo(post=1812163:date=Dec 1 2010, 02:53 AM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spellman23 @ Dec 1 2010, 02:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1812163"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It wasn't one document. It was over 9000 documents. Gonna take a while.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah and the rest ... wasnt the wikileaks release several hundred thousand documents?
<!--quoteo(post=1812195:date=Dec 1 2010, 02:25 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Dec 1 2010, 02:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1812195"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would be surprised if SK would actually be at all easy to invade even for a modern army with extensive supplies. Thinking about it logically I'd be surprised if they couldn't give even the US a run for their money.
SK is a pretty well developed country, and being the home of samsung does mean they get some <a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2132365054951907317#" target="_blank">pretty damn cool military technology</a> and they aren't exactly located in the most hospitable of locations, so it would make sense that they would have a strong military.
If israel can do it, I'm pretty sure south korea can do it better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> NK doesn't have any option of invading SK. What they would do is shell Seoul, which would force SK and USA to respond somehow. If NK could force the bigger powers to attempt to forge across the DMZ they could probably do huge amounts of damage per cost, and then if that wasn't enough to work alone, they'd probably try to use their nuclear weapon supply.
NK is basically the definition of an evil genius empire. It's pretty horrendous that a country like that has been allowed to advance into the modern age.
<!--quoteo(post=1812195:date=Dec 1 2010, 06:25 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Dec 1 2010, 06:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1812195"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would be surprised if SK would actually be at all easy to invade even for a modern army with extensive supplies. Thinking about it logically I'd be surprised if they couldn't give even the US a run for their money.
SK is a pretty well developed country, and being the home of samsung does mean they get some <a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2132365054951907317#" target="_blank">pretty damn cool military technology</a> and they aren't exactly located in the most hospitable of locations, so it would make sense that they would have a strong military.
If israel can do it, I'm pretty sure south korea can do it better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NK has almost double the fire power, double the vehicles, more than double the men that SK has for land invasion and air invasion. South Korea would be crushed, quite quickly and swiftly.
As much as you think it, South Korea don't have great military technology. Both countries are using outdated military equipment.
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<!--quoteo(post=1817421:date=Dec 19 2010, 10:49 PM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Dec 19 2010, 10:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1817421"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->so...looks like they're back at it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. I don't think the North will follow through with their threats, but we'll see.
<!--quoteo(post=1812490:date=Dec 2 2010, 09:21 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Dec 2 2010, 09:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1812490"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NK has almost double the fire power, double the vehicles, more than double the men that SK has for land invasion and air invasion. South Korea would be crushed, quite quickly and swiftly.
As much as you think it, South Korea don't have great military technology. Both countries are using outdated military equipment.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Vehicals would have an incredibly difficult time going through the DMZ. The whole thing is basically rigged to explode. NK wouldn't get far before the western world responded too.
<!--quoteo(post=1817467:date=Dec 20 2010, 06:49 AM:name=That_Annoying_Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (That_Annoying_Kid @ Dec 20 2010, 06:49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1817467"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't we have our newest carrier filled with our newest f-22's parked outside of Korea?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, because F-22s aren't designed for carriers :)
Don't forget we have two Air Force bases in South Korea as well, jam-packed with every kind of aircraft you'd need to wage total war, all kept at the highest state of readiness.
<!--quoteo(post=1817509:date=Dec 20 2010, 02:26 PM:name=Temphage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Temphage @ Dec 20 2010, 02:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1817509"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, because F-22s aren't designed for carriers :)
Don't forget we have two Air Force bases in South Korea as well, jam-packed with every kind of aircraft you'd need to wage total war, all kept at the highest state of readiness.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Isn't the highest state of readiness something like 24-hour alert with weapons loaded and engines running? I thought the air force got good and proper tired of that during the cold war.
North Korea strikes me as some skinny kid (and I mean kid as in child, not guy) who takes his shirt off, speaks gangsta, and calls you "######" or "ho" regardless of age or gender. And when you laugh at the utter absurdity of his behaviour he bites you in the calf and now you have to go and get shots. Punk-ass kid. >:(
Japan is pretty close too, the United States Seventh Fleet, the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force some long range artillery plus 130 USAF fighters are stationed there.
Edit, there are no F-22s stationed in Japan but squadrons from the states have been rotated there on deployment, if they are not there now they may have their deployment bumped up as a show of force.
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lolfighter's analogy proves to be <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12039477" target="_blank">hilariously apt:</a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>North Korea 'will not hit back' over Yeonpyeong drills</b> ... The North shelled the island last month after similar drills and had threatened more retaliation this time.
But state media quoted the army as saying it was "not worth reacting". ...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahhh, "you're not worth it". Apparently North Korea has started hiring terrible Hollywood coming-of-age movie writers to write their press releases (actually given <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Sang-ok#North_Korean_period_.281978.E2.80.931986.29" target="_blank">Kim Jong-Il's history</a>, that's not too unlikely).
Presumably North Korea will come back later with some friends, and then South Korea will have to fight them off to win the girl.
...I'm not sure who "the girl" is in this metaphor.
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I don't see why people are surprised at this. Economically and politically the West influences China day by day, the more China grows, the more Americanised it has become. In turn, it has no option but to become "more like us" in the West as it's one nation growing largely against many, economically, politically, it's sensible even if a bit of a curveball to Communist strategy.
Other leaks include assessments of a large assortment of foreign leaders of state, often quite unflattering. This includes close allies of the U.S., and puts them in a quandary: Do they make a fuss (demand apologies etc.) and risk tensions, or do they brush it off and end up looking like bootlickers? Merkel and Westerwelle (german chancellor and vice-chancellor, respectively) have opted for the latter, much to everyone's complete lack of surprise.
SK is a pretty well developed country, and being the home of samsung does mean they get some <a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2132365054951907317#" target="_blank">pretty damn cool military technology</a> and they aren't exactly located in the most hospitable of locations, so it would make sense that they would have a strong military.
If israel can do it, I'm pretty sure south korea can do it better.
Yeah and the rest ... wasnt the wikileaks release several hundred thousand documents?
SK is a pretty well developed country, and being the home of samsung does mean they get some <a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2132365054951907317#" target="_blank">pretty damn cool military technology</a> and they aren't exactly located in the most hospitable of locations, so it would make sense that they would have a strong military.
If israel can do it, I'm pretty sure south korea can do it better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NK doesn't have any option of invading SK. What they would do is shell Seoul, which would force SK and USA to respond somehow. If NK could force the bigger powers to attempt to forge across the DMZ they could probably do huge amounts of damage per cost, and then if that wasn't enough to work alone, they'd probably try to use their nuclear weapon supply.
NK is basically the definition of an evil genius empire. It's pretty horrendous that a country like that has been allowed to advance into the modern age.
SK is a pretty well developed country, and being the home of samsung does mean they get some <a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2132365054951907317#" target="_blank">pretty damn cool military technology</a> and they aren't exactly located in the most hospitable of locations, so it would make sense that they would have a strong military.
If israel can do it, I'm pretty sure south korea can do it better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NK has almost double the fire power, double the vehicles, more than double the men that SK has for land invasion and air invasion. South Korea would be crushed, quite quickly and swiftly.
As much as you think it, South Korea don't have great military technology. Both countries are using outdated military equipment.
Yeah. I don't think the North will follow through with their threats, but we'll see.
As much as you think it, South Korea don't have great military technology. Both countries are using outdated military equipment.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Vehicals would have an incredibly difficult time going through the DMZ. The whole thing is basically rigged to explode. NK wouldn't get far before the western world responded too.
No, because F-22s aren't designed for carriers :)
Don't forget we have two Air Force bases in South Korea as well, jam-packed with every kind of aircraft you'd need to wage total war, all kept at the highest state of readiness.
Don't forget we have two Air Force bases in South Korea as well, jam-packed with every kind of aircraft you'd need to wage total war, all kept at the highest state of readiness.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't the highest state of readiness something like 24-hour alert with weapons loaded and engines running? I thought the air force got good and proper tired of that during the cold war.
North Korea strikes me as some skinny kid (and I mean kid as in child, not guy) who takes his shirt off, speaks gangsta, and calls you "######" or "ho" regardless of age or gender. And when you laugh at the utter absurdity of his behaviour he bites you in the calf and now you have to go and get shots. Punk-ass kid. >:(
Edit, there are no F-22s stationed in Japan but squadrons from the states have been rotated there on deployment, if they are not there now they may have their deployment bumped up as a show of force.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>North Korea 'will not hit back' over Yeonpyeong drills</b>
...
The North shelled the island last month after similar drills and had threatened more retaliation this time.
But state media quoted the army as saying it was "not worth reacting".
...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahhh, "you're not worth it". Apparently North Korea has started hiring terrible Hollywood coming-of-age movie writers to write their press releases (actually given <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Sang-ok#North_Korean_period_.281978.E2.80.931986.29" target="_blank">Kim Jong-Il's history</a>, that's not too unlikely).
Presumably North Korea will come back later with some friends, and then South Korea will have to fight them off to win the girl.
...I'm not sure who "the girl" is in this metaphor.