Stop The Internet Blacklist

TripleTriple Join Date: 2007-06-18 Member: 61290Members
Made a steam community group about the COICA:

<a href="http://steamcommunity.com/groups/COICA" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/groups/COICA</a>

Government is taking away our online freedom. And blacklisting & shuting down Companies they want to.

<a href="http://isohunt.com/lite/" target="_blank">http://isohunt.com/lite/</a>


Please Join and Support! We're not Communist!

Comments

  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    While I appreciate the activism this is corporatist not communist. If it was used to suppress political speech it would be fascist. For other examples of classic regulatory capture see Internet Radio.

    Of course you seem like some strange astroturfer for isohunt so here's a better link : <a href="http://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copyright-bill" target="_blank">http://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-c...-copyright-bill</a>
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1802729:date=Oct 25 2010, 10:34 PM:name=Triple)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Triple @ Oct 25 2010, 10:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802729"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Please Join and Support! We're not Communist!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well thank golly we got that cleared up. I wouldn't want to accidentally support any communists now would I?
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    edited October 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1802743:date=Oct 25 2010, 11:58 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TychoCelchuuu @ Oct 25 2010, 11:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802743"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well thank golly we got that cleared up. I wouldn't want to accidentally support any communists now would I?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Hey, speak for yourself. I'm thoroughly dissapointed that my Soviet brothers are not whole-heartedly endorsing this campaign, now if you'll excuse me I'll take my furry hat and backwards R's and bid you good-day!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Communist hate is silly. Calling someone/thing Communist as an argument is double-silly. You are a silly.</span>
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    Nobody tell CWAG about this thread.
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    The obligatory...


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  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1802736:date=Oct 25 2010, 10:49 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (locallyunscene @ Oct 25 2010, 10:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802736"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->While I appreciate the activism this is corporatist not communist. If it was used to suppress political speech it would be fascist.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's all the same.

    Step 1) Corporations lobby to give power to G to regulate internet.
    Step 2) G uses the power it has to its ends, to grow itself / suppress speech, because that's what G does.
    Step 3) Corporations lobby to use the power G gave itself to give it more powers to benefit corporations.
    Step 4) Go to step 2...
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    How can the US have the authority to ban something for the whole world? Am I missing something? Or does the authority stop at US-hosted websites?
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    sigh

    massive amounts of /facepalm for this

    The technical goals of this bill (from what EFF said) is American DNS companies. This means that if you use an American DNS, the website names will not resolve. If you use a different DNS, or punch in an IP, it will work fine.

    As for the Communism, Steam group, and ISOHunt link:
    /facepalm
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    Yeah, no one ever uses DNS... Personally I just memorize the IP address of every site I go to. I mean, I don't know why DNS was invented in the first place...

    Censorship isn't always about destroying access 100%. It's usually about making it more difficult to access. Like travel or free speech. Here, have this "free speech zone", you still have the right to assemble, only where I tell you, though. And, you can still travel, as long as you have special identification, submit to be cavity searched, and give access to your bank accounts. You're still "free". Technically.

    The next step, of course, once you have a blacklist, is to use it to do more than originally intended. That's how blacklists work. You make it under mild pretenses, and you use it to inconvenience. Then you use it to destroy.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Where did I say this wasn't a big deal or a bad thing?
    Where did I say that just because Americans can circumvent it, it isn't bad?

    I explained to Cereal just what it is, and why it will not directly effect any one outside of the US.

    This all reeks of the crunchy hippy protests I saw constantly in college. No actual knowledge about what they were protesting, simply spouting catchy platitudes that were, more often than not, wrong/irrelevant/based on faulty logic or knowledge. If you point out to them that what they are chanting makes zero sense they just come back and attack you with the same things again, regardless of the fact that you agree that XYZ is bad and something should be done, however that something should be informed, intelligent, and EFFECTIVE.

    So, yet again:
    /facepalm
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    Hereby awaiting your suggestion of something to be done about this, something informed, intelligent, and effective...

    aside from minimizing, and the use of rhetoricals where you don't explicitly state your opinion, so you avoid having to defend it, or do anything about it, /facepalming excluded.
  • TripleTriple Join Date: 2007-06-18 Member: 61290Members
    edited October 2010
    I just wanted to post this for ###### and giggles.

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    Dear Guttersnipe,

    You have received a warning at Steam Users' Forums.

    Reason:
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    Re-posting Closed / Moved / Deleted Thread or Post

    NO steam group advertising and NO torrent sites to be posted on the forum.
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    Original Post:
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18011308

    Quote:
    Made a steam community group about the COICA:

    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/COICA

    Government is taking away our online freedom. And blacklisting & shuting down Companies they want to.

    http://isohunt.com/lite/


    Please Join and Support!


    Why was my old post about this deleted?...wtf?  

    Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

    All the best,
    Steam Users' Forums

    really? hm? i didnt see no rules against posting steam groups or torrents?

    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=651173

    please send me a quote from in there(link from proceeding to forum page) where it says no group posting or torrent site? and plus i mostly posted a torrent site for theyre announcement. i dont even have to post the torrent site. unless if you find a line quoted from the rules post i dont know why your deleting my post. im just trying to share some information.

    We have 1 main thread in the community forum where you can post the group. You may not link to iso hunt.
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=583977

    Thanks.

    Why cant i open my own topic? im not breaking any rules at all. and if i am please show me what rule am i breaking Linked.

    Please check the link i posted. you can add your link to the thread like everyone else.

    i have already linked to the forum rules. no advertising anywhere on the forum.

    ok now i understand about no advertising but to it finish off you never really even linked me the forum rules. but really when people post in off-topic almost everyone is pretty much advertising. but i guess you choosed to deleted mine by choice, i get it. its cool.

    all the advertised posts that should be deleted:
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1381560
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1537172
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1381560
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1381560
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1535973
    http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1538075<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->

    his respond after was:
    Those users do not own those websites nor are they adversing their own group. The owner of Amazon isnt posting those links. Is he?[/


    Mine was:
    im not the owner of the sites im posting so i dont know what your talking about.

    and he ended it with:
    You are posting steam community groups and a torrent site they are posting something totally different..

    You know this and now just trolling. There is no need to reply to this pm and you do not need to pm me again about your warning. You have all the info you need.

    Good day.
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    steam forum is not letting me share this information and making up rules even though his last respond totally confused me i think he got mad...hah
    :/
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Aaaaand your credibility just hit rock bottom.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1802895:date=Oct 26 2010, 06:44 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Align @ Oct 26 2010, 06:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802895"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Aaaaand your credibility just hit rock bottom.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    He had some?

    Btw, juice:

    Contact your representatives with a well informed and rational argument to oppose this bill. That is what I suggest.
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1802897:date=Oct 26 2010, 05:50 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thansal @ Oct 26 2010, 05:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802897"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Contact your representatives with a well informed and rational argument to oppose this bill. That is what I suggest.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Do you do this?

    I have experience doing so and they respond with form letters which display absolute ignorance of the issues, most of the time explaining how they are "working hard" to enact legislation which is the very legislation I oppose, followed by a two sentence justification.

    I think it's more fruitful to motivate others to have a strong opinion on a philosophical level, so that when politicians speak on the issue it's easier for voters to identify who to vote for or against. The details change depending on the bill, and people don't have the interest or the time to research it. Hell, politicians don't even read the bills. That's why the fight is in the ideas, because that's what people remember, even when you're not around to explain things to them.

    So, join us, Thansal, put down your facepalms and join the Crunchy Hippie Internet Freedom Fighters Of Nerd-dom (CHIFFON)!!!
  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    I prefer to play as the soviets in red alert 2. does this make me a communist?
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1802887:date=Oct 26 2010, 11:26 PM:name=Triple)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Triple @ Oct 26 2010, 11:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802887"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->steam forum is not letting me share this information and making up rules<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That is how adminning in general usually works.
  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1802914:date=Oct 27 2010, 12:19 AM:name=SentrySteve)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SentrySteve @ Oct 27 2010, 12:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802914"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I prefer to play as the soviets in red alert 2. does this make me a communist?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No, sadly not. Communism is good, almost as good as red alert 2 (ok thats a lie, nothing can be that good)! It just doesnt work irl tho. Atleast not if there exists humans in the world, maybe robots though.


    If they blacklist, you should try getting the web history of every politician and get them blacklisted with the most visited as highest priority. That or just tap into their internet and block them out, scissors usually work well.

    Disclaimer:
    I am joking, do NOT cut peoples fiberoptic (or other) cables!
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Related reading: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=111258" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....howtopic=111258</a>

    The scariest part of this is the second list that the Attorney General has full control over and that while it's not mandatory to obey this list, the government would be 'much obliged' if you did. Though I don't think it'll go anywhere. <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3804" target="_blank">http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3804</a> It's still go a ways before it's even to the vote. Plenty of time for talking heads to be outraged about it.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    Yeah. Governments care about Steam user lists.
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